Skanda
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Don't know about where you live but here in CA I would bet that at smog check time they will see that your car has not been recalled/repaired and tell you that you must get that done before you can get smogged.
Volkswagen gets busted.
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Chukzombi
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you might be able to get away with it if you had your car inspected recently or are due to have it soon. bureaucracy goes slow so it may take a while for the inspection guys start checking. you also may have better luck with a private inspection if they have those in cali. in jersey you register the car and its up to you to get it inspected. one is not dependent on the other.
TJT
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This whole situation is kind of unprecedented in the auto world. Will be interesting to see how much it fucks them. Somewhere along the chain, some high executive if not the CEO himself had to direct a team of engineers to design and program a device with the set requirements of being able to know when it was being tested and alter emissions to pass that test. The project had to go through the whole gamut of testing, revision, testing and manufacturing all the while with the intent being known.
We'll hear some of the truth soon enough. But its going to be good!
We'll hear some of the truth soon enough. But its going to be good!
Borzak
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Supposidly California tested them with real world on the road test and said they passed.
Borzak
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They don't test exhaust emissions here for an inspection. In fact they don't do anything, pay your $5 and you're done.
In the state next door they only test exhaust emissions if you live in a couple of metra areas that require ethanol blended gas. The others don't require that gas and don't test emissions.
Tuco
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As an automotive engineer it's rare you really get an opportunity for unscrupulous behaviour like this. I'd like to know how this went down, and what level of person knew about it. Depending on the software process it could've literally been one person who obfuscated the emissions test check. Or it could've been some VP level guy pulling aside three dudes and saying, "There's big bonuses in it for you guys if you do X and take the secret to your graves.". I have to imagine the CEO had no idea and isn't truly responsible.
What I don't get is how they expected it to not come out eventually. I'm assuming they were checking for some specific CAN signal in the device that said, "I am testing your ass" or set of signals that looked like the emissions test the EPA does. As soon as that changed the ruse would be up and serious questions would be asked.
What I don't get is how they expected it to not come out eventually. I'm assuming they were checking for some specific CAN signal in the device that said, "I am testing your ass" or set of signals that looked like the emissions test the EPA does. As soon as that changed the ruse would be up and serious questions would be asked.
You might be right.
From what i can read it was when the car was in test mode.
Volkswagen Emissions Cheat Exploited 'Test Mode' - Consumer Reports
From what i can read it was when the car was in test mode.
Volkswagen Emissions Cheat Exploited 'Test Mode' - Consumer Reports
TJT
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It could easily be a really deep rabbit hole. I am not an automotive engineer but I do work for an auto manufacturer. Just developing their internal financial software. From what the article says, some device was throttling the emissions, triggered by embedded software. That involves fabrication, tooling, etc, etc. The current CEO probably legitimately had no idea, you're right. But various lead engineers, software designers and quality assurance people might have been questioning the changes (that were probably either done at last minute after all control checks were completed and production was greenlighted, or at design level from the very beginning. But few people knowing their actual purpose).
But if we find out their lobbyist groups and shit were intentionally trying to keep these "solid tests" in place its going to be an absolute circus. VW is going to have to answer some really hard questions and I am actually extremely curious how much of the investigative results the public will get. A lot of people had to know about it along the design/production chain for it to work.
But if we find out their lobbyist groups and shit were intentionally trying to keep these "solid tests" in place its going to be an absolute circus. VW is going to have to answer some really hard questions and I am actually extremely curious how much of the investigative results the public will get. A lot of people had to know about it along the design/production chain for it to work.
zombiewizardhawk
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If I was in the VW legal defense team, my defense would be simple: Your honor, how many people did the EPA go after for that whole river incident? Oh, zero? I rest my case.
Kirun
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Oh, yeah. The 'ole "two wrongs make a right" defense. That is always a slam dunk in the legal world.
I'd stick to operating the drive thru window at Taco Bell, methmouth.
iannis
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Too big to fail, bro.
If you're going to go that way with it you don't need a one time fine. You need a straight up tariff.
Because any fine that is levied which "will ensure that no company does this again" will result in the dissolution of the company. And dude... VW isn't going to dissolve over this. Not outright, and not because they tricked Americans. At worst they'll stop im/exporting (voluntary or not) to America. Since that's what you're looking at, you might as well turn a buck off of it.
If you're going to go that way with it you don't need a one time fine. You need a straight up tariff.
Because any fine that is levied which "will ensure that no company does this again" will result in the dissolution of the company. And dude... VW isn't going to dissolve over this. Not outright, and not because they tricked Americans. At worst they'll stop im/exporting (voluntary or not) to America. Since that's what you're looking at, you might as well turn a buck off of it.