Weight Loss Thread

McCheese

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I finally hit the end of my bulk this week. I ended up at 215 after starting at 185 near the beginning of the year. I plan on cutting to 190 by February 1st to see how well I did muscle wise. Then I may do another short bulk before I finish cutting for summer. I'm 5'10".
That's almost exactly what I've done this year, and I'm in the middle of cutting back down to around 185 - 190. I started the cut about a month ago, and all this holiday food is interfering because I'm a weak-willed bitch.
 

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That's almost exactly what I've done this year, and I'm in the middle of cutting back down to around 185 - 190. I started the cut about a month ago, and all this holiday food is interfering because I'm a weak-willed bitch.
I waited until after Thanksgiving since I knew it would derail me for sure haha. Christmas isn't an issue. New years I'll get plenty of calories from alcohol though.
 

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Back to the topic of motivation, I lost a bunch of weight ending about 3 years ago (140lbs). But I have slowly ticked up 15 or so since I met my (now wife) at the end of that weight loss. I don't feel the motivation to kick my ass and get out there nearly as much now as my main goal back then was to be in shape to meet women. What do you guys do to motivate, I get my routine going then something gets too sore or I get busy with work and it falls off and I stop doing anything for 3 weeks then start the trend again when I feel things ticking up.
My motivation is not having to buy new clothes. Also, as a former fat kid, I ain't ever going back. Fuck that.


Elurin, this isn't meant as an insult, but look good naked for who? You mentioned in the marriage thread that you and your wife rarely have coitus, so who are you improving your physique for? Again, not a dig at you, I really want to understand the thinking behind it. I certainly understand the motivation initially. You put in a little bit of effort, you start to see more definition(as long as you aren't fat), you start accidentally hulking things, etc. But to put the amount of effort you've sometimes described, if it ain't making your wife wet, what's the point? Strong just to be strong seems pointless. And at some point, you have to be doing damage to your body in the long run. I can't imagine that's good for the long term health of your joints, tendons, and ligaments.
 

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Why does it have to be to impress someone else? Honestly, it's just like anything else in life. Why do you do the MMO grind? It's certainly not healthy. You do it just to do something.
 

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It doesn't HAVE to be anything beyond hobby, that's why I was asking. And obviously I can't quantify the difference between bad effects of sitting in front of a computer for a while(posture and eye sight) versus serious strength training, but I'm leaning towards the latter being more detrimental. Just a biased opinion.

And I will argue it's not like anything else in life. If I play computer games for a while, get good at them, and then stop for a year or two, chances are I'll still be good at them. Not so with strength training. That's one of the big detractors to me. I gotta keep doing this shit in perpetuity even if I want to just maintain whatever form I achieved?Computer games don't require much beyond some money. Serious strength training is a lifestyle change.

So yeah, the commitment to strength training now and in the future is perhaps uniquely high. That's why I asking if there are any other benefits because at some point, my motivation to go to the gym is going to drop off. Years from now, decades from now, who knows. But for me, it's gotta be more than just "to do something".
 

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Yeah. I'm married so I'm sure the fuck not trying to impress her. I want to look good for me. And for my kids, i don't want to be embarrassing fat dad. I saw some chick a couple of weeks ago, high school girl, her hambeast mother in a scooter in Target, fuck that. And I want to be healthy. I work with a guy who has diabetes... yeah, that is some motivation for you right there...
 

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Not being a diabetic scooter-driving hambeast is nowhere in the same realm of the strength training Elurin does. The people you're describing could solve/prevent a lot of their problems with a healthy dose cardio that he hates. Please don't confuse exercise for health reasons, which I totally support, and exercise for cosmetic reasons. Note, cardio and strength can fall in both categories depending on context.

I felt sorry for guys packed into gyms trying to look like how Calvin Klein or Tommy Hilfiger said they should.
 

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I'd rather have bad joints from lifting rather than bad joints from sitting in front of a computer or TV. I'm pretty sure if you aren't lifting like a madman you'll actually have good joint health as you age anyway.
 

McCheese

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Strength training like Elurin does is no different than doing any sport seriously. The people who do stuff like Elurin does don't "work out", they "train", because to them it's just as much of a sport as basketball, football, etc. Just like all people who seriously play basketball don't expect to actually compete in some sort of tournament or competition, all people who strength train aren't doing it compete in a strongman competition. It's the act of participating in the sport, of improving yourself, that gives the drive and is the reward in-and-of-itself.
 

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Well, Elurin might actually be lifting like a madman. I asked this a while back, but he must have missed it, but he had commented that he sometimes has to take 5 days off his regimen to let his joints heal.

McCheese, I'm not sure using sports is a good example. Pro athletes are fucked up when they retire, and not just football players. You think Derrick Rose is going to be the same again? Of course not, but he's got millions of dollars in compensation. How about the guy who plays amateur ball and suffers the same, or even just one of those injuries? Or how about the guy I used to play basketball with that had a fucked up achilles heel FROM playing basketball. I suffered one elbow almost to the eye for me to go "fuck that".

So yeah, considering what's needed to achieve and maintain, I'm looking for benefits beyond the reward in-and-of-itself. I certainly understand that motivation, I'm not saying that's invalid. For someone who doesn't have a lot of time(just had a kid), I wouldn't mind some further motivations. I listed a few before, and I understand the health benefits of moderate exercise, but if I can tack a few more on top of that, it would help keep me going longer.
 

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Little more info: My 12 hour work days are 4 days a week. It's compounded by the fact I work nightshift and live in Qatar. Those work days are leaving the house around 330pm to be to work by 5pm. Off work again at 5am to get home around 530am. Those four days are perpetual work, shower, sleep and NOTHING else.

Finding a "real gym" is problematic in that it means paying a 5 star hotel to use their facilities. This is upwards of $5k for an annual membership. No thanks. Even if these were free, you are talking 30minutes drive (each way) in good traffic. This still wouldnt work on my workdays at all.

Giving up social life is tough. Sad as it is to say, its the only thing I have out here to keep me from going insane. My 12 hour shifts are at by myself in a high security building with no windows, etc sat in front of a computer terminal. Those weekends are a chance to talk and hang out with people. It's tough to blow that off. That said, some days are spent biking and hell I went for a 2mi jog / walk the other day. It's not all laziness.

I guess my only feasible option would be to fit in some exercise at work. Does anyone have some references for things to do in the office? I can probably get a handful of dumbbells in here without too much fuss from the boss.
 

McCheese

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Well, using sports is a perfect example to explain the "reward in-and-of-itself" motivation for lifting like a madman. It might not be motivation that works for you, but it is a perfectly legitimate comparison for those who are able to use that as motivation enough.

I'm not quite sure what information you're looking for here. Are you trying to find out whyother people, such as Elurin, are able to keep motivated when lifting? Or are you looking for some sort of motivation that works for you and will keep you in the gym and going constantly? If the former, well, like I said, I think the analogy of sports sums it up. If the latter, then I think you're out of luck. No one can "give" motivation. If you can't find a reason to do something there's nothing you'll be able to read on the internet that will magically fix that.
 

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It's the latter. I'll slightly disagree with you about the giving motivation part. For most people, yeah, sure, motivation has to come from within. But I'm an engineer, I wouldn't be good at my job if I didn't take advice/criticism objectively. Also, if I didn't spend all work day farting around on the internet. If it can be that heavy long-term strength training can have good affects, then that's something I'd take into consideration.

Or maybe someone has some motivations I've just plain forgot about. I've been going to the gym for years, it's become almost routine at this point. I saw Elurin's example as a good opportunity to remind myself of maybe some forgotten reasons. Because while my wife does enjoy the changed physique, I really don't have to do much in that regard.
 

Gravel

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Not being a diabetic scooter-driving hambeast is nowhere in the same realm of the strength training Elurin does. The people you're describing could solve/prevent a lot of their problems with a healthy dose cardio that he hates. Please don't confuse exercise for health reasons, which I totally support, and exercise for cosmetic reasons. Note, cardio and strength can fall in both categories depending on context.

I felt sorry for guys packed into gyms trying to look like how Calvin Klein or Tommy Hilfiger said they should.
No, you're absolutely correct. I take it a lot more seriously than other people, and I think your comments from before about what I put myself through demonstrates that. I'd say a lot of my dedication is diet related, however. The bulk of the time I spend to obtain my ideal is spent eating. Like I said to Jysin, it doesn't take a lot of time in the gym to do it (although, his situation is different since I didn't realize he was in the Middle East). I go 4 days a week, around an hour per day, although that's slowly sneaking up to 90 minutes (and that's mostly trying to get in as much as I can before I cut and lose strength). But even so, that's only 4-6 hours PER WEEK that I actually spend in the gym.

My "rehabilitation" weeks are something most people who lift should do. They're normally called deload weeks, and it's to give your body (and mostly nervous system) a chance to rest. Ihavehad lots of injuries in the past, but to be honest, I've been pretty well off this past year. I've had nagging injuries, but for the most part nothing that's kept me out of the gym for very long. And none since the summer. I think a lot of it was poor form, or going harder than I should have. Now that I have a better understanding of my body, these types of injuries should be less common for me.

Last bit about me. If we're being honest, I'd say that my current attitude is based on my teenage years. As I said before, I was always a small guy. I was 130-135 pounds (at 5'10") from 20-25. I'd imagine in high school I was even smaller. So I've probably got some fucked up viewpoints from growing up about being the small guy. I remember being in Iraq at 20 (and 22-24) and having people come up to me and ask if my mom knew I was there (and keep in mind I was married for my last 2 deployments). That shit eventually has to warp your sense of yourself. So I'd say it's probably from that where I decided to change myself. And now, while I look like I lift more than 95% of the population, I still feel small. Who knows if my body dysmorphic issues ever really go away.

Anyway, for you, Crossfit might be the answer. It provides a good community to motivate you to go every week. It's also quick on the achievement of gains. It'll get you looking decent, but it's not enough for someone like me. I posted a link in the Crossfit thread that kind of details the postives and negatives of Crossfit. As long as you don't push yourself to injury (or allow the coaches to), it's a very good program to get into (although, expensive). And if you decide you want more, it's a very good platform to get into regular lifting.

CrossFit: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
 

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Just make sure you know that if you start doing crossfit the only fucking thing you will be able to converse to people about will be crossfit. And inevitably you will you only have things in common with people who do crossfit. Because it's all you'll fucking talk about.
 

Gravel

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That's true. My wife does Crossfit and she talks about it all the damn time. I just counter back by telling her retarded gym stories and she gets the hint usually.
 

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Little more info: My 12 hour work days are 4 days a week. It's compounded by the fact I work nightshift and live in Qatar. Those work days are leaving the house around 330pm to be to work by 5pm. Off work again at 5am to get home around 530am. Those four days are perpetual work, shower, sleep and NOTHING else.

Finding a "real gym" is problematic in that it means paying a 5 star hotel to use their facilities. This is upwards of $5k for an annual membership. No thanks. Even if these were free, you are talking 30minutes drive (each way) in good traffic. This still wouldnt work on my workdays at all.

Giving up social life is tough. Sad as it is to say, its the only thing I have out here to keep me from going insane. My 12 hour shifts are at by myself in a high security building with no windows, etc sat in front of a computer terminal. Those weekends are a chance to talk and hang out with people. It's tough to blow that off. That said, some days are spent biking and hell I went for a 2mi jog / walk the other day. It's not all laziness.

I guess my only feasible option would be to fit in some exercise at work. Does anyone have some references for things to do in the office? I can probably get a handful of dumbbells in here without too much fuss from the boss.
There are no gyms anywhere near you with a barbell and some plates that you can spend 4 hours a week at? I find that a little hard to believe, but then again I've never been to Qatar.
 

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There are no gyms anywhere near you with a barbell and some plates that you can spend 4 hours a week at? I find that a little hard to believe, but then again I've never been to Qatar.
As I said, you can spend a few grand for hotel memberships. But we are kind of getting sidetracked here.. I need advice (reference material) on how to get a good dumbbell workout done in the office where I am sat on my ass 12 hours a day doing mostly nothing at all.
 

McCheese

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I doubt you're going to have heavy enough dumbbells in your office to actually make any significant progress.
It entirely depends on what you consider "significant". He could very easily tone up, drop body fat, and get overall healthier by doing a simple, full-body dumbbell routine 3 times a week and keeping a solid diet. "Significant" is a very loaded term.

During my initial 60+ pound weight loss last year I used dumbbells almost exclusively while retaining muscle and cutting body fat. I did it at the gym, but there was nothing that I couldn't have done in my living room or office. This is especially true for someone who has never worked out extensively or not worked out for a long, long time because you'll get those sweet, sweet beginner gains. *Edit* The highest I ever went on dumbbells during that initial weight loss was around 50 - 55lbs, so it's not like I was even using super heavy ones.

Jysin, I suggest going to bodybuilding.com and browsing their database of workouts. They have TONS of dumbbell-only routines. Find something that looks interesting and fits your goals/time/space restrictions and if you are still unsure about it, post it here and people can critique it and make any changes, if necessary.