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I train fasted, cause I lift at 5 am. Plus I hate lifting with food in my stomach. I take this in the mornings: Optimum Essential AmiN.O. Energy at Bodybuilding.com: Best Prices for Essential AmiN.O. Energy

I eat fats, carbs, and protein whenever the fuck I want.

Most protein powders will say in the instructions "take 30 mins before a workout and/or after your workout." This has nothing to do with potency or the affects on the body, it has to do with hoping you do it twice so they can sell you more.
 
Rezz

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Hrm, you have bad reading comprehension issues apparently. Or what an edit button is.

I didn't state that carb cycling for fat loss = carbs pre-workout. What I said is that if he's cycling (ie, coming from an off day) and not consuming carbohydrates to a reasonable level before lifting, he's going to have energy issues in the gym. And since he said he was having energy issues in the gym... well, my basic math is pretty solid. Since I was under the impression he was a carb cycler, it sounded like he was just going to add 1000 calories -on top- of his heavy carb day, which seemed like a bunch to me. I then said that if he consumes more carbs before his workout vs. afterwards, he would probably have more energy in the gym vs. just blanket adding 1000 calories. The blog you linked actually mentioned nothing about any of that, and refuted nothing I said. I also said I don't follow fitness blogs, so knowing who some random fitness guy you think was refuting what I said (fact: he does not) is par for the course. Why I would know random fitness trainers in other countries is beyond me, but alright. YA GOT ME! Then we get to my deep knowledge of leangains, which I said I don't have because outside of you (now I remember reading about it before. You linked that crap on rerolled, and directly to the reddit a few times) mentioning it, I've never heard anyone in a gym ever say that combination of words. So yeah, I have a huge lack of knowledge about the founder of IF, because IF is generally dumb, and I've said it multiple times over the years. So a site about IF doesn't rank high on my giving a shit list. But -you- definitely linked from reddit a bunch, and googling it definitely points to the main website and reddit as the primary sources of information. And it most certainly does sound like something from reddit.

For fun, I googled LiverpoolFC. I don't get a reddit link on the first page of google. Halfway down the second, yes! But when I google leangains, the second source of information is reddit. So yes, exactly the same logic that I applied. Precisely the same.
 
Ossoi

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Rezz said:
I didn't state that carb cycling for fat loss = carbs pre-workout.
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You're one of the carb cycler guys if I remember right, Dandai? If so, if you aren't (and if I remember correctly, you aren't) one of the keto folks, I would look at how your meals are structured over the course of a day. Specifically when your carbs are available. If you're eating a semi balanced macro-specific diet, you should be able to effective load carbs early in the day and use them for energy, and then go carb-lite in the afternoon/evenings. This may even contribute to better sleep;
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You're replying to someone in a weight loss thread, so the assumption is that he wants to lose fat. So you assume he's carb cycling, we assume that he wants to lose fat, and you advise him to eat his carbs pre workout.

Sounds like you stated carb cycling for fat loss = carbs pre workout to me



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For fun, I googled LiverpoolFC. I don't get a reddit link on the first page of google. Halfway down the second, yes! But when I google leangains, the second source of information is reddit. So yes, exactly the same logic that I applied. Precisely the same.[/Spoiler]
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You're not very bright are you? Maybe I should have picked another example, something more niche instead of a sports team with global appeal. I'm not even sure how reddit being the second result disproves me?

Why I would know random fitness trainers in other countries is beyond me, but alright. YA GOT ME! Then we get to my deep knowledge of leangains, which I said I don't have because outside of you (now I remember reading about it before.
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I think what's clear here is that you aren't nearly as well read or as informed as you think you are
 
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Rezz

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Yeah, reading comprehension issues. You either didn't read the initial post and just looked for buzzwords before adding your own narrative to it, or you didn't understand what I wrote and still decided to add a narrative to it.

I don't read blogs by transformation experts or fad shit, so much like the depths of keto-kiddery, I am not doing research on anecdotal evidence backed by partial pseudoscience.

And you're the guy who initially brought up the leangains shit, and it sounded like a reddit thing. Then I remembered why. The literal only person I've heard mention it is you, and you linked directly to the reddit stuff. Pardon me if I'm not doing research into the founder of a fad diet/workout plan.
 
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Crone

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It gets so serious up in here!!

Been 4 weeks, down 15lbs over all. Pretty happy with going with a Keto diet. First months results are of course typically higher than other months but I hope I can continue the trend. It'll be freakin' sweet.
 
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Crone said:
It gets so serious up in here!!

Been 4 weeks, down 15lbs over all. Pretty happy with going with a Keto diet. First months results are of course typically higher than other months but I hope I can continue the trend. It'll be freakin' sweet.
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Grats Crone! I was 285.8 this morning, weight loss slowed down, but still looks to be at the 7-10lb/week rate. Gonna go to the doctors on Saturday for another body analysis/check. Feelin great. :)
 
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AladainAF said:
Grats Crone! I was 285.8 this morning, weight loss slowed down, but still looks to be at the 7-10lb/week rate. Gonna go to the doctors on Saturday for another body analysis/check. Feelin great. :)
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I wish that I had the same feelings that you do. I know that I'm for sure eating less, and at 6'6" , 320lbs, my BMR is why I'm losing lbs right now, as I don't exercise, but the energy, etc is still the same. I wouldn't same I'm more or less tired than I was before. Just wish I could get that boost in energy that everyone talks about.
 
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Crone said:
I wish that I had the same feelings that you do. I know that I'm for sure eating less, and at 6'6" , 320lbs, my BMR is why I'm losing lbs right now, as I don't exercise, but the energy, etc is still the same. I wouldn't same I'm more or less tired than I was before. Just wish I could get that boost in energy that everyone talks about.
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Every body is different. Just try to never forget weight loss is the first step in a life-long change. I think we discussed this on the old board, but most people that diet gain a lot back because they don't readjust to a new lifestyle. Whether it takes you 6 months or 2 years, if you manage to get to a good weight, don't lose sight of the long-term lifestyle changes you're going to need to make.. forever.

The "boost in energy" is weird. For me, it's a feeling like I could move mountains, or sprint up 500 flights of stairs np. But the moment I start, I'm whipped immediately. I think that is part of a keto diet for most people. Thankfully, I am able to do some lifting so I'm not neglecting the gym, but I certainly can't just start up some cardio at this point.
 
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Yeah, and I feel the same energy wise, and I feel like I could easily go hop on the elliptical for 30 minutes and be fine. I probably should start doing that. I just don't have that "boost", but working 2nd shift, and not getting enough sleep is 100% more the culprit to how I feel than the diet.
 
Rezz

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I'm really interested in the results from AlAF's doctor visit and resultant bloodwork. I mean you're 2-ish weeks into a diet and you've already lost 24+ lbs. I know some of the keto kids will come in saying that's totally normal for keto, but even keto diets are beholden to basic physics. I think it might be pretty interesting to read the results.

Being that you guys are on keto, and only crone really should be mostly adapated at this point, exercise shouldn't be an issue for him but might be for you AlAF. Give it a couple of weeks before you start worrying about your energy to do physical activities. The body doesn't magically switch over from primary carb usage to using fats even close to the same level as a quick energy source for at least a couple of weeks and usually longer. The issue would be that people react incredibly differently to the "acclimation" part of a keto diet, so it could be 3 weeks or it could be 3 months. There's a lot of individual physiology involved in how quickly your body adapts to not having easily restored glycogen reserves for energy.

Either way, good work both of you on losing weight.
 
Ossoi

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Crone said:
It gets so serious up in here!!

Been 4 weeks, down 15lbs over all. Pretty happy with going with a Keto diet. First months results are of course typically higher than other months but I hope I can continue the trend. It'll be freakin' sweet.
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It's fine, these back and forths are quite common.

Rezz admitted that he doesn't follow or pay attention to people that consistently achieve great results for their clients and share their knowledge, so no need for him to tell me how to carb cycle, especially as I've been doing it for the last two years
 
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Rezz

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It sort of depends largely on how much you weigh and how active your lifestyle is, as well as how much carbs you were consuming before making the switch. The more active you are, the faster you'll burn through your excess glycogen stores and start progressing into ketosis. Expect a bit of an energy drop, and then it should even out over time as your body acclimates to the situation it is in.

For people who don't want to worry too heavily about calories and don't want to spend time looking at various nutrition information (outside of the macronutrient content, ie carbs) keto can work pretty well. Especially if you aren't expecting to make monstrous strength gains while losing weight. It's just -really- difficult for some people to cut out carbs from their diet, as a good portion of the world is consuming a shitload of liquid/empty carbs by habit, and habits can be very hard to break.

Good luck, you have definitely chosen "hardmode" in my opinion, but if I remember right that's your mantra. Don't flip the fuck out though if your weightloss sort of plateaus after a couple of weeks because you worked through the easy losses. Eventually you'll have to look at your caloric intake to continue losing at a reasonable rate. You'll still be in ketosis, but don't fall into the Brahma trap (said in good nature) of consuming a shitload of calories in various proteins and fats that are way beyond/on par with your maint and expect to lose weight. In the end, it will still be about eating "less."
 
AladainAF

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Started full keto today. Interested to see how long it takes to kick in.
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It took me 2 days, and I felt like shit for a day and a half and it passed and been fine since but some people get the headaches and such for weeks. I find keto pretty easy, but you need to eat a lot of veggies and would recommend a multi-vitamin and potassium supplement on top of it. Some omega-3 helps too though you'll probably get plenty from fish. I get going to the docs tomorrow to get weighed "officially" on their snazzy scale, and probably wont have blood work for another 1-2 weeks, but we'll see. My scale was 283.6 this AM, going to feel great to be in the 270s again. Can already tell my body is moving around considerably easier than the 300s, man, fuck that.
 
Gilgamel

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Yeah calories aren't an issue. I haven't been over 2000 in like 3-4 weeks and I don't think I've broken 1600 in 10 days. Just trying to accelerate the process. I averaged about 1450 calories this week, worked out 6 out of 7 days, and only lost 3.8 lbs. I feel like I should be losing more.
 
Ossoi

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Keto isn't a magic bullet, 1450 calories on keto isn't going to be faster than 1450 calories of non keto.

I can't remember your current weight but I'm guessing you're another one of the recent influx of people eating like bulimic catwalk models
 
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