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Sylas said:
4 hours, avg heart rate 176, max 192. burned 2130 calories according to my fitbit.
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That seems like an unbelievably high activity rate to sustain for four hours unless you're an elite athlete. ~550 cal/hr, maybe, though that's more than I'd credit myself for an hour spent doing competitive jiu jitsu (and which I couldn't keep up for more than 2 hours at the outside). 175 bpm is a typical maximum heart rate for someone in their 40's. Raking leaves is normally classed as light to moderate exertion. I'd bet your fitbit is giving you bad data or aggregating strangely.
 
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That seems like an unbelievably high activity rate to sustain for four hours unless you're an elite athlete. ~550 cal/hr, maybe, though that's more than I'd credit myself for an hour spent doing competitive jiu jitsu (and which I couldn't keep up for more than 2 hours at the outside). 175 bpm is a typical maximum heart rate for someone in their 40's. Raking leaves is normally classed as light to moderate exertion. I'd bet your fitbit is giving you bad data or aggregating strangely.
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quite the opposite I have very low blood pressure and a high resting heart rate due to heart damage. I've been training for months just to get my resting heart rate below 100 bpm. On a good day now my resting rate is around 80bpm. Athletes have like 50-60 bpm resting heart rate cus their heart is strong and efficient.

doc says something about fucked up ejection refraction or some shit, idk my heart doesn't pump right.
 
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quite the opposite I have very low blood pressure and a high resting heart rate due to heart damage. I've been training for months just to get my resting heart rate below 100 bpm. On a good day now my resting rate is around 80bpm... doc says something about fucked up ejection refraction or some shit, idk my heart doesn't pump right.
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Ugh. That sucks. I guess then it goes the other way - since you have persistent tachycardia I'd disbelieve the calories. Fitbit is assuming you're a healthy person operating at near-maximum output for half a day.
 
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Oh I know it's just a fitbit, even the bpm isn't accurate. I've been doing cardiac rehab 3x a week so i'm working out hooked up to an EKG with nurses monitoring my heart rate and it's usually 10-30% different from what a wearable reports.
 
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Oh I know it's just a fitbit, even the bpm isn't accurate. I've been doing cardiac rehab 3x a week so i'm working out hooked up to an EKG with nurses monitoring my heart rate and it's usually 10-30% different from what a wearable reports.
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With your situation, any physical activity is going to be strenuous. If your ejection fraction is low, that means your heart doesn't eject that much blood with each beat, so it needs to beat more to move the blood around. Basically your heart is flipping the fuck out because its not very efficient anymore.

I dunno if you're being serious about raking leaves being hard or being tongue in cheek about it just being hard for you, but that should be like a walking-pace heart rate activity not a max-sprint heart rate activity for a normal uninjured person.
 
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I don't know what you are talking about but raking leaves is no where near a 'walking-pace" activity and never has been even before my accident. It may not be that intense to some but it's definitely beyond just walking.

I do 30 min of cycling daily on a trainer maintaining around 150-160 bpm, lift weights/kalestinics another 30min and I also do 1 hour of treadmill/elliptical at rehab and raking leaves is easily 3x as much work as either of those activities.

I also do a daily walk with my dogs 30 min per day, there is literally no comparison of walking and raking leaves. Maybe if you have 1 tree and it takes 3 minutes to rake them? i'm on 2 acres with tons of white oak mixed with pine (straw) it's fucking intense.
 
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Guess I live in crazy world then because it is and has always been a rather intense aerobic activity. half the reason people even had children after we moved off the farms was to rake up fucking leaves in the fall. the other reason was to push the lawnmower. Literally no other chore is even comparable. I got a riding lawnmower so that part's easy peasy but raking leaves has never been anything other than intense.

it's been a few years but back when I was healthy i've done multiple centuries (100 mile bike races) in central valley california in the summer, tour de fresno, goat head century, etc, 5 hour rides in 112 degree heat, and they are less intense than raking fucking leaves.
 
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Guess I live in crazy world then because it is and has always been a rather intense aerobic activity. half the reason people even had children after we moved off the farms was to rake up fucking leaves in the fall. the other reason was to push the lawnmower. Literally no other chore is even comparable. I got a riding lawnmower so that part's easy peasy but raking leaves has never been anything other than intense.

it's been a few years but back when I was healthy i've done multiple centuries (100 mile bike races) in central valley california in the summer, tour de fresno, goat head century, etc, 5 hour rides in 112 degree heat, and they are less intense than raking fucking leaves.
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Seriously not trying to be an asshole because it's the grown up forum, but are you sure you're doing it right? I can't say I've ever even breathed hard in any way raking leaves or doing yard work. It may take a long time but its not strenuous.
 
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Um that pitiful light dusting of leaves barely counts. That's a dude raking up 1 juvenile trees worth of freshly fallen leaves, that's 3 minutes of work.

As I said I had my heart attack last fall where I couldn't take care of it so I had an entire seasons worth of leaves compacted and starting to compost. You know when the layer under the top is black and wet and nasty as shit. Like 2-3 feet thick where they had started to gather along the fence and at the base of the trees. What light layers like you see in that video that still were around were woven in the grass as it has started to grow and entangle the leaves. I furiously raked at them for about 10 minutes and then said fuck it and just mowed the lawn to break them loose.

I use a medium sized backpack Blower not one of those rinky dink hand held ones and I used that to gather up at least 30 piles of leaves around 6 foot in diameter and about 3 foot deep (so large that the blower could no longer move the pile) and those piles I had to then move manually and yeet them into the deep woods out back of my house.

I think you guys are imaging some like 1/4 acre plots in some subdivision with your whole 3 feet of space between your house and your neighbor with 1 whole tree growing next to your drive way or something.

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But wet, rotting and condensed so not nearly as high. Probably several thousand pounds of foliage. They claim that pile is 20k lbs, not sure if accurate.

Here's what it would look like if I did it in the fall (when the leaves were fresh light and fluffy and not compacted and rotting after a long winter with several snows)
 
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Broke a new PR today for 365 on Bench (Bar, 6x45, 2x25). November of 2023 when I started this mess, I could only push 95 pounds. Dont think I want to push further than that. Im hearing too many "horror stories" about muscles snapping and crazy shit like that up around the 400 mark. At 38, Im probably in the beginning stages of doing "too much." I also passively hate people spotting me, too.

Dumbbell curling 60's with proper form at 4x6, currently. Not sure how much I want to push that. My wrist and fore arm go back and forth between hurting and then being fine. I dont want to wear the old man straps, but I may end up having too if I keep going up on curl weight. Using the barbell, I can do the same reps as dumbbells with an additional 15 pounds (135) but my wrist screams out in pain as soon as I put the bar down.

I've heard nonstop about the carbs from alcohol being bad carbs. But I swear before God that a night of drinking, and a good nights rest on top of that (waking up when I feel like it) - I can lift heavier weight. Could all be in my head too, though.

Keep in mind Im ~184 pounds right now at 6 foot. 🤷‍♂️
 
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At 38, Im probably in the beginning stages of doing "too much."
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Having suffered a series of (mildly) life-altering orthopedic injuries in my 30's, I strongly recommend finding what is "good enough" without taking on substantial risk. It's very hard to appreciate the value of a fully-functioning body until you don't have one. This goes for the weight room or whatever other athletic endeavor you pursue.
 
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Broke a new PR today for 365 on Bench (Bar, 6x45, 2x25). November of 2023 when I started this mess, I could only push 95 pounds. Dont think I want to push further than that. Im hearing too many "horror stories" about muscles snapping and crazy shit like that up around the 400 mark. At 38, Im probably in the beginning stages of doing "too much." I also passively hate people spotting me, too.

Dumbbell curling 60's with proper form at 4x6, currently. Not sure how much I want to push that. My wrist and fore arm go back and forth between hurting and then being fine. I dont want to wear the old man straps, but I may end up having too if I keep going up on curl weight. Using the barbell, I can do the same reps as dumbbells with an additional 15 pounds (135) but my wrist screams out in pain as soon as I put the bar down.

I've heard nonstop about the carbs from alcohol being bad carbs. But I swear before God that a night of drinking, and a good nights rest on top of that (waking up when I feel like it) - I can lift heavier weight. Could all be in my head too, though.

Keep in mind Im ~184 pounds right now at 6 foot. 🤷‍♂️
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I'm sure there are other channels that do as well, but I know this guy talks a good bit about not maxing to keep healthy.
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Jim Wendler was the first "fitness guru" I came across that talked about trying to be efficient while never pushing actual 1RM. Basically strength training for longevity and injury prevention while still trying to be as strong as possible in that lense.

If you don't know who Jim Wendler is he is the creator of 5-3-1 and ever since I started doing that program I never tried anything else. It's all about finding "theoretical" maxes and never doing more than ~90% of that in your working sets and never pushing to failure. If you are injured you are either doing less or nothing at all while it heals and if you're constantly feeling injured/unhealthy your training sucks (or is non-existent).

Besides the stupid name (renaissance periodization) MIke Israetel has some good videos, especially about form, and A LOT of click bait reaction videos where he just dunks on people for views/money. But if you sift through to his actual fitness videos they are usually pretty good.
 
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Dumbbell curling 60's with proper form at 4x6, currently. Not sure how much I want to push that. My wrist and fore arm go back and forth between hurting and then being fine. I dont want to wear the old man straps, but I may end up having too if I keep going up on curl weight. Using the barbell, I can do the same reps as dumbbells with an additional 15 pounds (135) but my wrist screams out in pain as soon as I put the bar down.
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Yea dont do this. Heavy lifting on isolation exercises serves no purpose and is why you are feeling pain and will develop tendonitis.
 
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Jim Wendler was the first "fitness guru" I came across that talked about trying to be efficient while never pushing actual 1RM. Basically strength training for longevity and injury prevention while still trying to be as strong as possible in that lense.

If you don't know who Jim Wendler is he is the creator of 5-3-1 and ever since I started doing that program I never tried anything else. It's all about finding "theoretical" maxes and never doing more than ~90% of that in your working sets and never pushing to failure. If you are injured you are either doing less or nothing at all while it heals and if you're constantly feeling injured/unhealthy your training sucks (or is non-existent).

Besides the stupid name (renaissance periodization) MIke Israetel has some good videos, especially about form, and A LOT of click bait reaction videos where he just dunks on people for views/money. But if you sift through to his actual fitness videos they are usually pretty good.
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I think it depends on your goals - if you really need "strength" for some reason then train strength. If you're just training strength to see the numbers go up, you're putting yourself at risk for no reason.

As all of us guys get older, I'd definitely recommend lifting lighter and with more volume rather than trying to lift heavy. At our age we're lifting for aesthetics, mobility, longevity, and trying to avoid injury. Avoiding injury is paramount in my mind way before strength, strength isn't really a consideration.
 
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