Westworld

Brando said:

I'm now fully on board there being two timelines and the MiB = William at this point. While we get to see his transformation because of this I think main key to it all is Delores. There has to be a reason for Ford to have not just destroyed her whether it be her code is unique and required to run the other Hosts or she's a flag for when the shit is about to go off the rails but it's clear she's retracing steps in the present that she did in the past. This isn't some sudden awakening now, it's happened before and I wonder how many other times as well? It reminds me of the Matrix for good or bad, who's to say Fords not getting ready for her to complete her journey and then just clean house with him firmly at the top again? He's making massive changes to the park and storyline, nobody will then notice a purge of the old.

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I think that's a good call. Dolores gaining some kind of consciousness of her situation is probably the catalyst for the whole park heading down that path. She's likely the first host this happens to, every time.

TJT said:

So then its back to Lanx's question then. Why is Delores the mecha cyborg in both timelines (she was shot and bled) and not an old tin can in one of them?

And why doesn't the MiB go directly to Pariah since he know the maze is there (symbol on the coffin)? Why do all the sidequests?

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Maybe he didn't realize that the marking on the coffin was the maze?

He's in the park for the first time and sees this awesome thing happen...but it's not until several years later that he realizes the ramifications of it. Then maybe a few more before he starts putting together that he had seen the maze symbol before, during his first visit with Dolores.

I'm still a fan of the dual time-ilne, MiB = William theory, even though there are holes in it. It just seems like it's set up to be the big reveal.

First you have William, the man-in-white do-gooder whose afraid to let loose his inner id, which is the direct contrast to the MiB.....so it's like he's slowly breaking bad. The transition from MiW to MiB makes for nice bookends.

Then you have the latest episode when MiB is talking to Ford and basically reveals that his wealth is what saved Westworld sometime in the past. At the same time, you have Logan telling William how sources say Westworld is hemorrhaging money, and they are there to see if Westworld is worth buying out. This would fit neatly into the "past" timeline where William will at some point decide to "save" Westworld by having his company fund it. Even though he's only an executive vice president, it seems like the storyline is set up where he will move up the ranks in his company, possibly by usurping/supplanting Logan, possibly because his wife (Logan's sister) may be in line to inherit the entire company should something befall Logan, and therefore William would stand to inherit the company through his wife.

Again, lot's of interesting plotlines in the show, just hope they don't fuck it up like Lost.

Or, the park is simply losing money, which is why the board is very concerned with new narratives being added.

The mecha robots still look like people on the outside. A preview for what is ahead this season showed the kid robot open his face and its all metal in there yet he appears normal when he talks to Ford and MiB. MiB saying the robots used to be full of metal doesn't disprove anything.

Saw this today on /Film that a guy on Reddit put together:

Mist said:

We see the symbol on the coffin as Delores in the present. It's not there when William is there in the past.

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You're wrong. Watch it again.

Edit: Saved you the trouble. You're welcome. Now let's at least stick to only facts and wild theories. No misinformation necessary, lol.

People have referenced El Lazo's hair as evidence of a dual-timeline story, but it seems to change from scene to scene with the MiB as well. One moment it's longer and darker and the next it's short and gray.

Mizake said:

I'm still a fan of the dual time-ilne, MiB = William theory, even though there are holes in it. It just seems like it's set up to be the big reveal.

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I'm not sure how you can be a fan of MiB=William after Ep5. William and Logan discuss the details of their company buying out Westworld, the fact that "thirty years ago, when this all started... on the partners killed himself." They actually talk about it, and that should dispel any attempt to put William and MiB as the same person.

Sabbat said:

I'm not sure how you can be a fan of MiB=William after Ep5. William and Logan discuss the details of their company buying out Westworld, the fact that "thirty years ago, when this all started... on the partners killed himself." They actually talk about it, and that should dispel any attempt to put William and MiB as the same person.

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"...everything out here is more raw. But it doesn't come cheap. rumor is, they are hemorrhaging cash. We're considering buying them out. Supposedly this place was all started by a partnership, and then right before the park opened, one of the partners killed himself. Sent the park into a freefall. I mean, I don't know any of the details.. I don't even know his name."
"you must have a team of lawyers looking into this place."
"yeah, well, they came up empty. he's a complete mystery. not even a picture."
"well, whoever designed this place, I get the feeling they don't think very much of people."


does that sound like they are talking about 30 years ago? "freefall".. for 30 years? No mention of the board of directors, or military funding, which was talked about by the current head.