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Hard to argue with the pay bumps from hopping. Also, in civil engineering I get exposed to so much new shit every time I change jobs I feel like it's the best way to get a broad base. Also, finding out exactly what you want to do. Too many old people have warned me how easy it is to sit in a job you could take or leave for 20 years, it's crazy.
Borzak
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Depends on the industry I guess. In this one job hoping is a quick way to wind up working a shit job for the rest of your life or a career change that involves flipping burgers at some point.
If you have LOTS of places you could apply I could see it. After a certain number of jobs you really don't get any interest here unless the place was bought out or something. The average time of retention at my last two jobs was 21 years and 17 years. Not counting the shop.
I'm always perplexed at articles that suggest chaning jobs every two years. I would say on average you're not making a decision on the job that really matters in your first year for the most part. They have a term for it, "absorbtion mode". Take a year or two and dick around and learn the contacts and what needs to be done. Then work.
If you have LOTS of places you could apply I could see it. After a certain number of jobs you really don't get any interest here unless the place was bought out or something. The average time of retention at my last two jobs was 21 years and 17 years. Not counting the shop.
I'm always perplexed at articles that suggest chaning jobs every two years. I would say on average you're not making a decision on the job that really matters in your first year for the most part. They have a term for it, "absorbtion mode". Take a year or two and dick around and learn the contacts and what needs to be done. Then work.
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Jumping for me just netted a 65% raise, bonus not included. I'm pretty sure it's the way to go provided you don't do it every 6 months. Spend 18-24 months in every position, take all the free training and certs you can, and keep marching.
I'm on day 2 with my new company, and already it's a MASSIVE change from public sector research. Night and fucking day.
I'm on day 2 with my new company, and already it's a MASSIVE change from public sector research. Night and fucking day.
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Before the housing crash when I was working blue-collar jobs, I was told this a ton and it might have worked out. Lots of the people I worked with never stayed anywhere for more than a couple years and the prevailing wisdom was that you had to do this if you ever wanted decent raises/benefits. I thought about it a lot when I stayed somewhere and got nickled and dimed for hourly raises, or when I only got large raises because I started out for less than I should have or they hired someone less experienced, paid them more, then had to go back and restructure everyone's pay so the rest of their employees didn't ragequit.
After the crash, I'm sure they were all just happy to have a job at all (if they even had one) and would cling to work like a baby on a teet.
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I personally don't know a company that laid off anyone in the last crash. They may have got a smaller bonus tho. You could know everything about the industry top down but if you don't know the person in the field or the people at the customers site you can't get anything done. I mean more than know their name.
So you go eat lunch together a lot, go fishing or hunting with them, take them to a LSU football game in the suite and such. Got to go along to get along.
So you go eat lunch together a lot, go fishing or hunting with them, take them to a LSU football game in the suite and such. Got to go along to get along.
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Relax.
You are a highly trained developer on a profession where there is scarcity of resources.
If you think is bad for you... imagine what is going to be forthatproject manager. She must be going.. fuck I have to start fucking all those people.. again!!!*
*The last my soggy knees comment does not reflect my position of women in the workplace.
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It's prob industry dependent. General construction, and electrical construction in my case became a nightmare. The only company I knew that didn't lay many people off was taking a lot of out of state jobs. IBEW guys were telling me that they had 500+ local folks out of work, and that's just that particular union. When I was trying to work through staffing firms, there were times there would be a fucking line out the door. mostly stuff like general laborers, but still. There just wasn't enough work going around and companies started cutting down to the bare minimum.
In a way, my going through that may have helped me long term. I lost everything I had, but I don't think I would have gone back to school if I had been able to keep working construction without interruption. I don't even want to bend conduit anymore, or pull wire, or whatever else. Fuck that noise.
Still, I feel like I'm derailing from the earlier point somewhat.
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I guess.
A lot of money involved and "they" like working with known people they can trust. I can't count the number of times I pulled out the "remember when you screwed up" card to a field person or the customer to cut me some slack. Works both ways. That screw up might have been 10 years ago. Same goes for the "remember when I saved you or kept you from getting fired" type of stuff.
Got to go along to get along. Not for everyone I guess.
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I would hate to actually land a job where I felt like I interviewed badly. Would feel like starting off on the wrong foot.
Obviously if the job is worth it, it's worth it and if you're a good employee that's what matters, but here people that interview bad and somehow still get hired carry a pretty rough stigma with them. Only thing that gets those people past that is if they come to happy hours and aren't lame. Surprise though, they aren't the happy hour type. I always get assigned the "how will their personality mesh" portion of the interview I think for this reason specifically.
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By interviewed badly I mean on a personal conversation and speaking about my work it went great. I flubbed a goddamn lame programming question and I've been beating myself up about it.
Don't worry about it dude. With this takeover wouldn't it take them a while to get their shit together enough to lay you off and if they did wouldn't you get a pretty sweet severance package?
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Before I was at worry level 1 out if 10, now it's 3 out of 10. I'm not fully in panic mode yet.
Haha, don't do that man. It leads to the dark side of work from home. Shit, shower, shave like you would normally do. Then get dressed. Trust me on this one.
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