What do you do?

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 13, 2016

Big_w_powah said:
I'm sitting here still waitin on an answer from my boss about my raise/promotion.

His direct report left, and the guy above her filling in is doing 2 jobs...He promised me an answer in 3 weeks...This is week 3. We'll see if he follows through, or at least has a good reason as to why there is no answer.

I expect something along the lines of "due to projections we can't fit it in until the end of the year, but we can do X for you then."...which I'm cool with. Puts numbers in place of mystery.

Send an email and talk to your boss. If you let it pass your boss and management will run over you

chaos · Sep 13, 2016

Mist said:
What kinds of jobs are there in IT crisis management/disaster recovery?

That's the only thing keeping me at this job. It's actually legitimately fun when we get a critical system down for a major managed services customer, and have to spring into action and start mobilizing people and resources, getting people on planes with parts, staging rebuilds of systems remotely, figure out some kind of failover plan, coordinating critical business outage plans with vendors, etc. A lot of it would be a lot easier if we had documented failover plans for all of our customers, but we don't, because we suck at information management/data integrity, but the fact that our documentation sucks actually makes it a lot more fun.

Is this like an entire field of IT that one can actually get into?

Are you for real asking if disaster recovery/continuity of operations is a distinct segment if IT that people need?

The answer is hell yes.

Big_w_powah · Sep 13, 2016

consensus said:
Send an email and talk to your boss. If you let it pass your boss and management will run over you

I brought it up yesterday. He told me to give him til today, and yet he's OoO today (and its just a 'personal day'). I feel like I'm getting stalled.

Jokes on him tho. Resume's been sent out a lot and I'd love to see him replace me for the money

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 13, 2016

Big_w_powah said:
I brought it up yesterday. He told me to give him til today, and yet he's OoO today (and its just a 'personal day'). I feel like I'm getting stalled.

Jokes on him tho. Resume's been sent out a lot and I'd love to see him replace me for the money

Only jump ship when you got a better offer. They run over you because a) no respect b)knows you are worth more but they think they can run over you by stalling. If they knew you aren't worth shit, they are going to tell you.

Big_w_powah · Sep 13, 2016

consensus said:
Only jump ship when you got a better offer. They run over you because a) no respect b)knows you are worth more but they think they can run over you by stalling. If they knew you aren't worth shit, they are going to tell you.

Oh, I know that. He'll make something happen before I get a better offer, fire me, or I'll be handing him a 2 weeks with an offer letter that has the company name/offer amount marked out.

I feel kinda bad, because I don't think its my direct supervisor intentionally stalling me. I think its his higher ups, and he just doesn't have the balls to make them give a firm answer; So, instead, he turns around and stalls me to buy himself more ballsless time.

Heylel · Sep 13, 2016

I wouldn't show them the other offer, and definitely don't accept a counter. Now they know you're ready to start breaking away.

Big_w_powah · Sep 13, 2016

Heylel said:
I wouldn't show them the other offer, and definitely don't accept a counter. Now they know you're ready to start breaking away.

Solid advice.

I don't think they know I'm ready to leave yet tho...I think, as much of an impact as I've made, if they thought I was shopping they'd get of their ass and do something.

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 13, 2016

Depends on how they see you. If you give an impression that you are just a passive worker who is easy and chill or even submissive, they won't take your offer seriously. But if you are active and engaging, bring up why you are worth ABC and lay claim to it, they will know you are serious about making more money.

Some people do this and make themselves seem bitchy though. I worked with a woman who managed to do that. Never cross that fine line.

Big_w_powah · Sep 13, 2016

consensus said:
Depends on how they see you. If you give an impression that you are just a passive worker who is easy and chill or even submissive, they won't take your offer seriously. But if you are active and engaging, bring up why you are worth ABC and lay claim to it, they will know you are serious about making more money.

Some people do this and make themselves seem bitchy though. I worked with a woman who managed to do that. Never cross that fine line.

Thats a line I'm not sure how to ride, exactly..But I have made the fact that I've streamlined a number of processes, perform job functions above and beyond my job title, and taken them from being outside of compliance with "oh, wats DR?" to having a solid DR plan/proof of concept, and even showing them how it could translate to a revenue stream to keep our customers regulatory compliant by offering DR to them known.

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 13, 2016

Sounds passive man....

Alex · Sep 13, 2016

I was seeking a raise almost two years ago after a bunch of people in my group left and my value skyrocketed. They were apprehensive at first but then I landed a solid job about two months later. They countered with a 20% raise - way better than the other offer. Still at the company. Sometimes it takes the very real threat of leaving.

chaos · Sep 13, 2016

I did that because my contract was ending and got a 30% bump for the duration, plus a ton of overtime hours so it amounted to like 50% probably. But I wouldn't have threatened to leave just to get a raise, I would feel like that would poison the well. I would ask for the raise, if I don't get it then I would leave and let that be that. I feel like if I am shopping around, it's probably more than just money I am unhappy about.

Big_w_powah · Sep 13, 2016

consensus said:
Sounds passive man....

Advice on being active without being a massive PITA?

chaos · Sep 13, 2016

Big_w_powah said:
Advice on being active without being a massive PITA?

Just talk to them. "From my point of view, these are my accomplishments: xxx. Would you agree?"

Big_w_powah · Sep 13, 2016

chaos said:
Just talk to them. "From my point of view, these are my accomplishments: xxx. Would you agree?"

Yeah, thats pretty much what I did. My boss agrees. Keeps talking about wanting to do it....No follow through.

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 13, 2016

chaos said:
Just talk to them. "From my point of view, these are my accomplishments: xxx. Would you agree?"

It's too late for that now. Bargaining stage is over. Should have closed it very early on instead of waiting "three weeks." It demonstrates powah love taking it in the butt.

Big_w_powah · Sep 13, 2016

consensus said:
It's too late for that now. Bargaining stage is over. Should have closed it very early on instead of waiting "three weeks." It demonstrates powah love taking it in the butt.

I made my points when I asked for the raise. I was asked to give my Boss 3 weeks to get an answer. I did some more stuff in the meantime and brought that up with him yesterday. I guess I don't see that extreme?

Big_w_powah · Sep 13, 2016

Mist said:
What kinds of jobs are there in IT crisis management/disaster recovery?

That's the only thing keeping me at this job. It's actually legitimately fun when we get a critical system down for a major managed services customer, and have to spring into action and start mobilizing people and resources, getting people on planes with parts, staging rebuilds of systems remotely, figure out some kind of failover plan, coordinating critical business outage plans with vendors, etc. A lot of it would be a lot easier if we had documented failover plans for all of our customers, but we don't, because we suck at information management/data integrity, but the fact that our documentation sucks actually makes it a lot more fun.

Is this like an entire field of IT that one can actually get into?

Lets start a DR company in Dallas, Mist.

Alex · Sep 13, 2016

chaos said:
I did that because my contract was ending and got a 30% bump for the duration, plus a ton of overtime hours so it amounted to like 50% probably. But I wouldn't have threatened to leave just to get a raise, I would feel like that would poison the well. I would ask for the raise, if I don't get it then I would leave and let that be that. I feel like if I am shopping around, it's probably more than just money I am unhappy about.

I have a ton of personal freedom at my current job and I didn't want to give that up - still don't. The M-F 9-5 schedule is not a thing here. We follow a "as long as the job gets done" mantra. I don't know if I could go back to a standard work week schedule at this point.

TrollfaceDeux · Sep 13, 2016

Big_w_powah said:
I made my points when I asked for the raise. I was asked to give my Boss 3 weeks to get an answer. I did some more stuff in the meantime and brought that up with him yesterday. I guess I don't see that extreme?

Think of it this way powah. Like you and I we take jobs based on work and pay that we are okay with. Companies put out wages based on market value and hopefully slightly higher to attract good employee. For us employees asking raise is a big deal because it means our reputation and our pride is on the line. Not many employees ask raise every year or even two years. For the employer, they do get asked every year. Every month. Every week. They deal with it everyday. They know how to manage your expectations and your place. They are experts at pushing away raises if they can.

When you get desperate at the end, they low ball you and you are omfg happy because you got something out of it when you could have gotten a double.

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