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wilkxus said:
Might I inquire if it is anything juicy? Not asking for details, wondering if it is just because of boredom without any courtroom action or perhaps the case is an interesting one in a technical sense?

Also on a related note thinking of interesting cases, are there any nice journals specifically related to and covering IP related law you might recommend?
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Trials in the kinds of cases we work are relatively rare because the amounts at stake are potentially tens to hundreds of millions, and the companies don't want to get blown out either way. Most of the time the clients are ideological they just want to work out a financial settlement and get back to business.

We don't lack for courtroom action, it's just mostly discovery disputes, summary judgment and the associated motion practice. Getting to pick a jury in a patent case and argue the case will be fun, even though I won't be doing it the senior partners will. I've only seen two patent trials in my career even though I've worked probably 100+ cases...
 
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Trials in the kinds of cases we work are relatively rare because the amounts at stake are potentially tens to hundreds of millions, and the companies don't want to get blown out either way. Most of the time the clients are ideological they just want to work out a financial settlement and get back to business.

We don't lack for courtroom action, it's just mostly discovery disputes, summary judgment and the associated motion practice. Getting to pick a jury in a patent case and argue the case will be fun, even though I won't be doing it the senior partners will. I've only seen two patent trials in my career even though I've worked probably 100+ cases...
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Very interesting thank you, I thought trials were much more frequent. 100+ cases, that is quite a low ratio then.

Also quite a big change and quite unusual to have both experiences (IT and law).
How does this work compare interest wise compared to your IT & technical development work before?
Do you miss the hands on and feeling of reward/satisfaction of getting stuff to work, hands on?

Basicually just curious about where the *high* and *flow* feeling might be found in Law coming to it from a start in IT.

For my part, I get my IP news blurbs from technical sites and even though that aspect (legal/patent side of IT industry) I find incredibly interesting, I cannot imagine giving up that *high* you get in R&D: It is so nice and easy to get into a nice FLOW! It is an easy fix I could not give up easily.

Only downside for me in the past has been that *addiction* to flow has at times made me more susceptible ( when was younger) to exploitation from employers who are always incredibly HAPPY to have someone working *insane* hours AND having fun lol....
 
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I dunno how to answer that really, the work environment and the work itself are so different it's hard to compare. The most assembled product I put together now are briefs, which can take 20-60 hours to put together depending on the length/research involved. I often get to go argue these to the judge who then writes an opinion on that issue. It's pretty gratifying to see them agree with your reasoning.

I don't have any particular addiction to flow and never got any particular high from software development. I work for money. I get more now.
 
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Any technology company sales AE's here? I am moving from consulting to an AE role for CDW starting on Monday. Super excited to be back in technology sales and even more excited to be local.
 
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Any technology company sales AE's here? I am moving from consulting to an AE role for CDW starting on Monday. Super excited to be back in technology sales and even more excited to be local.
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The fuck is an AE role?

[EDIT] Ohh god just realized
Account Executive.
AKA Professional Liars.

Scum of the goddamn earth and the bane of my entire existence.
 
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Vinen said:
The fuck is an AE role?

[EDIT] Ohh god just realized
Account Executive.
AKA Professional Liars.

Scum of the goddamn earth and the bane of my entire existence.
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Do you want to point out on the doll where the bad AE touched you?

Seriously though, I was in technology sales for 10 years before I became a consultant and never lied to a client. How the fuck am I supposed to get repeat customers if the shit I recommend doesn't do what I told them it would do?
 
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OU Ariakas said:
...How the fuck am I supposed to get repeat customers if the shit I recommend doesn't do what I told them it would do?
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This. I'm not an AE, and my company isn't so much technology I guess, but out of ~200 people about 60 are sales (including management). The ones who last and do well aren't scumbags.
 
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OU Ariakas said:
Any technology company sales AE's here? I am moving from consulting to an AE role for CDW starting on Monday. Super excited to be back in technology sales and even more excited to be local.
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CDWG makes me want to claw m y eyes out sometimes. Hope you do well!
 
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CDWG makes me want to claw m y eyes out sometimes. Hope you do well!
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I have a hard time considering CDW to be technology sales. This is likely ignorance on my part,
Do they resell solutions as well as boxed product?

EDIT: Looks like they do.
EDIT: ROFL. My product is resold through CDW...
 
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Vinen said:
I have a hard time considering CDW to be technology sales. This is likely ignorance on my part,
Do they resell solutions as well as boxed product?

EDIT: Looks like they do.
EDIT: ROFL. My product is resold through CDW...
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They Sell everything.


I have found SHI is a better experience lately however.
 
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God damn first years. They've had since Wednesday to work on their sections of this motion, we have to file by midnight tonight and now I'm gonna have to take it over the goal line. These fuckers get paid too much to be this incompetent. At least they appear to have found a bunch of good cases.
 
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God damn first years. They've had since Wednesday to work on their sections of this motion, we have to file by midnight tonight and now I'm gonna have to take it over the goal line. These fuckers get paid too much to be this incompetent. At least they appear to have found a bunch of good cases.
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Ha, my firm's first years make $160k and they're basically glorified document specialists.
 
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Another AMLAW 100 in my city went to flat 180k recently. We still tier by city, with our NY office being the highest. Average is around $167k
 
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180k? Holy fucking shit. Wife has worked in the accounting side of law firms for a while but always small to medium sized firms and I can't imagine it was ever that much.

When I hear that number I immediately think you guys are in a bad ass place like in Suits type shit. Dang.

I'll just see my humbled unemployed ass out, thanks.
 
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In biglaw at least they work like absolute dogs, I'm not sure how it is at smaller places. Takes a good long time, if ever, to make that tasty partner cheddar :p
 
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I'd say 80% of the lawyers I chat with say that A) They wish they chose a different career and B) They are "doing their time" now making bank and killing themselves and plan to move to some cushy in-house counsel gig in the next 5-10 years.
 
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