Whats rustling your jimmies?
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Siliconemelons
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Go to AMERICAN Signature Furniture and go in the back and look at all the boxes and their made in stamps for lulz.
Or just ask if it has their long warranty - if no, it's China.
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why can't women budget down their $ after a big expense?
Like let's say "normal" eating out happens 4 times at an average of... 25$
But we go out for a mini vacay and spend 300$ on this crazy big meal...
Would you think she would ratchet down the standard expenditure? Or say just eat whatever's leftover randomly available or clean out the pantry?
Nope, fucking standard issue keep omnom going like nothing happened.... Because it's just a normal time. Not even "yeah I'll take a 1$ burger"
Women and money, for fucks sake... why are they so damn ignorant?!?!?
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Can't really speak for every other country but this isn't how it works here in France, you just pick whatever doctor you want to see. Some doctors are on a specific fixed low rate that's reimbursed by the state, some aren't and have their own rates, you can go there if you prefer, you'll generally get appointments faster and the service can be higher quality(not always obviously). You're not like assigned a doctor by the state and the doctors don't work directly for the state. I guess I've never had real issues with doctors though, if I didn't like what they had to say I just went and checked with another for a second opinion, shit's almost free anyway so why not. It's not without issues obviously, waiting times for appointments can be pretty bad especially for specialized care, there's just not enough doctors(I guess partly because it's not too exensive to consult so they get a lot of work, and also because they're better paid in the UK and shit).
It's not like everyone has access to the same healthcare levels either, people who have good jobs have health "insurance" that basically will reimburse the part that the state doesn't pay, which is useful for a lot of "non essential" stuff like dentist stuff. Just there's a basic minimum everyone has access to regardless, and it's not jacked up to stupid prices because of the weird relationship between insurance companies like in the US, so if you're not insured you don't end up with 50k of debt because you lost consciousness and had to get an ambulance ride and a 1night stay in the hospital.
Obviously isn't perfect but in your example a lot of your issues seemed to originate from the fact you couldn't afford to get a second opinion, which kinda shows the issues with the american system, if you don't have good health insurance via your job, well you're kinda fucked. In an evil socialist country you could have paid 0-15bucks for a second opinion, and a 3rd, and as many as you wanted really.
Not gonna say it's better cause it has its fair share of issues, like the glaring blackhole of debt it creates, but your experience probably wouldn't have happened in another country.
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Izo
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How does your system deal with massive immigration problems? Paris is Marocco now, iirc?
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popsicledeath
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I love how the argument or explanation on how well socialized, universal health insurance always ends up being: it really is great, and you can get better insurance via private employers and even go to doctors and pay out of pocket!
Yeah, which is why Americans don't want to have their private insurance fucked with (further). And it's strange because as government regulation, oversight, control and programs have expanded the ability to pay discounted cash rates to doctors has virtually disappeared.
All systems have problems, sure, but I'm pretty sure America's health insurance problem isn't that it needs more government.
Also, why would you assume I couldn't afford a second opinion? Just to highlight what you believe is the issue with the American system? Not a strong point if you have to assume shit like that.
I had a job, full time in fact, so why would you assume the problem was I couldn't afford a second opinion. Also, the V in VA stands for Veteran, and most veterans have benefits that pay for school. The most money I made through my 20s was while working and enrolled full time, because I was getting money from both, but as I stated in my post had to quit my job because of the health issues I was having, but could have afforded a second opinion.
Ah, then why didn't I get one? Well, again, reading would have served you well. Several times I put in paperwork to see a new doctor, and then paperwork filing a complaint when that wasn't happening. Did you miss that part in your desire to leap to the conclusion you already had and were trying to make? That the problem with America is I couldn't afford a second opinion, which was a wrong assumption that you probably could have realized with a little reading.
So, why didn't I go outside of my regular doctor and medical system? Well, I did learn on certain days the doctors at the VA were contracted private doctors, which helped diagnose the enlarged liver and spleen my regular doctor didn't think or care to check. It didn't help with the later unnoticed enlarged heart, though, so not sure what I could have done for that (and yes I'd reported several times my heart felt weird in my chest like it was touching up against something when Inlay on my side). But, see next.
Info also included in my post: I eventually went to the ER and got a very critical second opinion. By this time I was so messed up and out of it that it really took a family members involvement. For months of the potential time I could have been getting a second opinion it was all I could do to make it to class since I had long since quit work by then.
In short, your assumption was ignorant, and so was the point you tried to make from it.
Now, I'm sure people are getting rustled having to see political arguments outside the appropriate threads. I agree, so will refrain from posting on the political aspects of this topic any further as there are better, less shielded threads more appropriate for that type of give and take.
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Maximum rustle, though, is this shit fire tablet auto correcting real words for others that don't even have similar meaning. And just now it auto corrected "give" in then last paragraph to fucking "gove". Nothing like a little gove and take, that it now tried to autocorrect properly to "give"!
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And that's related how? Are you saying that changing the healthcare system must also mean you get immigrants? Cause you sure as fuck don't. That's like saying changing to the metric system would suck because then you'd also have to use euro as your money. You could just have universal healthcare and still tell immigrants to fuck off, you don't need to copy everything exactly the same. You don't need to have some states learn swedish, italian, french, portugese, german, danish and so on either, you can actually keep speaking english!
As for assumptions I did make some because if I felt like shit for more than a week after seeing a doctor, I'd definitely consult more than one doctor, probably going for a more expensive one, expensive being relative. An "expensive" doctor here would be a 80-90euros consultation with 25euros reimbursed. Hell if I felt really like shit I'd call one to visit at my house, in the evening, costs more but don't have to move and can be virtually any hour(one night I had some weird cramps shit around the heart area and felt like I was going to fucking die, got a doctor to come over at 4AM on a weekday, costs me 120euros or whatever but eh, turned out to be nothing though).
Anyway, will stop talking about the healthcare shit since it always riles up people and this isn't really the place for it.
As for an actual rustle, Halloween in Europe. Fucking shit used to not be a thing, but now every fucking year kids ringing at the door for candies. It's always like 3-4 kids too, since most kids still don't bother or don't do that but I assume it'll get worse since the candy/chocolate companies keep pushing advertising.
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Campbell1oo4
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Thinking about moving back to America. Looking at jobs.
Holy shit this looks bleak.
Everything requires a specific degree, multiple years of experience, and I have to sign up for their bullshit website to even apply.
Holy shit this looks bleak.
Everything requires a specific degree, multiple years of experience, and I have to sign up for their bullshit website to even apply.
Alasliasolonik
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Popeyes has a really good chicken sandwich and im sure they could use a few hands.
What sort of field are you in? Its pretty open for sub 100k jobs if you dont mind moving to Kansas or some bumblefuck town. I know a shit ton of people that hold clipboards on Gov sites that dont do shit that were all entry jobs for like 75k
Izo
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Just curious how your system handles the load of immigrants - does it screw over the system for the hard working natives? (if that can be said for France). Or is it partly held in check by the copay deal? I'm danish, Denmark. No copay here, all handled free by state. But you have to book times with doctors, GPs and specialists alike. Also the home visits is partly handled via GP's for the non-1-1-2 (911?) dialers, aka nursing homes and not-too-acute 1-1-2 calls like yours. If you dialed 1-1-2 with chest pain, it is handled by a joint calling board, that triages and guides the prehospital resources. Curious as to the doctor shopping part. That would not happen here - unless you had a private insurrance for a private clinic (1-2% of total). State system handles all, hence no endless second opinion. Has it's pro's and cons, sure. But mainly we see a lot of immigrants screw us over. Atm it's Syrians. But a doctor is sworn to have both the state and individual at mind, primarily the latter as it is, so we don't look much at costs beside the state limits for medicine and waiting lists etc.
Hope you're feeling better, friend
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Just curious how your system handles the load of immigrants - does it screw over the system for the hard working natives? (if that can be said for France). Or is it partly held in check by the copay deal? I'm danish, Denmark. No copay here, all handled free by state. But you have to book times with doctors, GPs and specialists alike. Also the home visits is partly handled via GP's for the non-1-1-2 (911?) dialers, aka nursing homes and not-too-acute 1-1-2 calls like yours. If you dialed 1-1-2 with chest pain, it is handled by a joint calling board, that triages and guides the prehospital resources. Curious as to the doctor shopping part. That would not happen here - unless you had a private insurrance for a private clinic (1-2% of total). State system handles all, hence no endless second opinion. Has it's pro's and cons, sure. But mainly we see a lot of immigrants screw us over. Atm it's Syrians. But a doctor is sworn to have both the state and individual at mind, primarily the latter as it is, so we don't look much at costs beside the state limits for medicine and waiting lists etc.
Hope you're feeling better, friend
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Well like all social security systems yeah it's abused by immigrants, although it's also abused by "true" french people who don't work and just live off welfare, and that goes for healthcare but also normal welfare. This kinda comes with the whole system and isn't specific to healthcare, if we didn't take in immigrants(which we wouldn't be able to do without leaving Europe anyway I'm pretty sure), it'd work better, less debt, less taxes, less waiting times.
The copay stuff is like optional on the side and isn't tied to you having a job, jobs do have them(they're called mutuelles, which in english translates to mutuals says google) but you can subscribe to one on your own even if you don't work, you just pay x per year for it, and it helps with stuff, like normal insurance, and you pay more or less depending on wether you're an at risk person(old, sick etc), the usual insurance way, but if you have a job you probably have one. They cover stuff that's usually not fully covered or poorly covered, like getting dental implants, bridges and stuff or having better treatments on your glasses than the most basic ones, or getting non necessary surgery and so on.
Anyway the basic cost for a doctor consultation is 25euros if they use the state supported system(tier 1), or higher if they don't(tier 2 where they set their rates freely). You can choose which doctor you visit, some have both systems, most only have either of them. Second part is "medecin traitant", which is basically like a "favorite" you pick, your usual doctor or whatever. This doesn't restrict you in any way and can be changed at will(although it takes a while cause bureaucratic shit). Then depending on your choices, you get part of the money back. If it's a medecin traitant in tier1, you get 70% back automatically and up to 100% via other systems(poor people welfare stuff, or the mutuelle). If it's not your medecin traitant, you get 30% of the base 25 euros back(so 30% of 25euros for a T1 doctor, but still only 30% of 25euros if you consult a doctor that takes 90euros but then most mutuelles will also cover part of that). You can take appointments with any doctor, there's no restriction on that, and you can just go from doctor to doctor to get as many second opinions as you want, although you pay the amount everytime(there might also be limitations on the money the state pays back but I honestly haven't looked into it).
Tier1 doctors tend to have pretty long waiting list(1.5 to 3 weeks depending on when and where, possibly longer for specialists) but tier 2 doctors generally are pretty quick to get an appointment with since they cost more and aren't reimbursed the same. Generally when I wanted to go to the doctor, which isn't that often, I could get an appointment in the same week, or a couple of days if I didn't mind moving around a bit. That's in Paris though, outside Paris shit can be a lot different obviously.
Home visits have a bunch of different systems, you can simply contact your normal doctor as they usually have home visit hours. In this case there's a static amount that's added depending on when it happens, that's also part of the reimbursement amount. For certain people, these amounts are also waived(old people, welfare people and other specific rules). Can just see any other doctors doing home visits too like you can for a normal consultation. Besides that you have an urgency number that has their own doctors that's separate and works off the 30% amount, with higher prices but much faster availability. The case I mentionned I called them around 3AM and they got to my house around 50mins later(I assume it would have been faster if it was more of an urgency but they ask you a bunch of questions to figure out how important it is and from the answers I gave I guess they assumed it wasn't a heart attack so I was ok). Again that's in Paris, would be different if I lived in a more isolated place I'm sure.
So like yeah immigrants fuck it up but mostly because they increase tax burden, although that's not specifically only the healthcare system. I think the US system would probably work well enough if the insurance companies didn't jack up the prices on everything to basically force you to have insurance.
The copay stuff is like optional on the side and isn't tied to you having a job, jobs do have them(they're called mutuelles, which in english translates to mutuals says google) but you can subscribe to one on your own even if you don't work, you just pay x per year for it, and it helps with stuff, like normal insurance, and you pay more or less depending on wether you're an at risk person(old, sick etc), the usual insurance way, but if you have a job you probably have one. They cover stuff that's usually not fully covered or poorly covered, like getting dental implants, bridges and stuff or having better treatments on your glasses than the most basic ones, or getting non necessary surgery and so on.
Anyway the basic cost for a doctor consultation is 25euros if they use the state supported system(tier 1), or higher if they don't(tier 2 where they set their rates freely). You can choose which doctor you visit, some have both systems, most only have either of them. Second part is "medecin traitant", which is basically like a "favorite" you pick, your usual doctor or whatever. This doesn't restrict you in any way and can be changed at will(although it takes a while cause bureaucratic shit). Then depending on your choices, you get part of the money back. If it's a medecin traitant in tier1, you get 70% back automatically and up to 100% via other systems(poor people welfare stuff, or the mutuelle). If it's not your medecin traitant, you get 30% of the base 25 euros back(so 30% of 25euros for a T1 doctor, but still only 30% of 25euros if you consult a doctor that takes 90euros but then most mutuelles will also cover part of that). You can take appointments with any doctor, there's no restriction on that, and you can just go from doctor to doctor to get as many second opinions as you want, although you pay the amount everytime(there might also be limitations on the money the state pays back but I honestly haven't looked into it).
Tier1 doctors tend to have pretty long waiting list(1.5 to 3 weeks depending on when and where, possibly longer for specialists) but tier 2 doctors generally are pretty quick to get an appointment with since they cost more and aren't reimbursed the same. Generally when I wanted to go to the doctor, which isn't that often, I could get an appointment in the same week, or a couple of days if I didn't mind moving around a bit. That's in Paris though, outside Paris shit can be a lot different obviously.
Home visits have a bunch of different systems, you can simply contact your normal doctor as they usually have home visit hours. In this case there's a static amount that's added depending on when it happens, that's also part of the reimbursement amount. For certain people, these amounts are also waived(old people, welfare people and other specific rules). Can just see any other doctors doing home visits too like you can for a normal consultation. Besides that you have an urgency number that has their own doctors that's separate and works off the 30% amount, with higher prices but much faster availability. The case I mentionned I called them around 3AM and they got to my house around 50mins later(I assume it would have been faster if it was more of an urgency but they ask you a bunch of questions to figure out how important it is and from the answers I gave I guess they assumed it wasn't a heart attack so I was ok). Again that's in Paris, would be different if I lived in a more isolated place I'm sure.
So like yeah immigrants fuck it up but mostly because they increase tax burden, although that's not specifically only the healthcare system. I think the US system would probably work well enough if the insurance companies didn't jack up the prices on everything to basically force you to have insurance.
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Campbell1oo4
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I teach E.S.L. (English as a Second Language). I actually moved by search away from 'real' jobs to look for ESL stuff, and there's a surprising number of things around the coast. Guess it's cause of immigrants.
Zaara
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It's a Saturday night, we close at 9, and 7:00-8:00pm is the witching hour for shitty walk-ins. Without fail we'll get one or two calls a night an hour before we close, someone looking to get 'something small' done, but small according to a drunk/high 22 year old can either mean anything from atom-sized daffodil to half a sleeve with a samurai doing battle with a dragon with waves and flowers and shit. I fall for the trap. A lady -- let's call her Linda -- calls at exactly 7:45pm to get 'something real small.' You can hear her lieutenant Karen yelling in the background, and it seems they are both about 3 daquiris in already.
You want your boyfriend's name on you? No problem. Linda says she'll be there in ten minutes, shows up a half hour later. Linda is an impressively rail thin fourty-something who was probably riding the upper-middle cock carousel a decade back. She's drunk. So's Karen. I am informed that her spanish boyfriend's full name is Esteban Angel Manuel and she would like that, in fancy cursive font, laid straight across her pud.
Well. Okay. After 30 minutes of comparing fonts and cutting shit out and sizing and answering her questions ( "Like is going to hurt, like hurt hurt?") I regretfully inform Linda that she has chosen a tattoo and a boyfriend that will require a microscopic 3R needle. A needle that small feels like a welding torch. Twenty minutes to get the stencil on. Another five minutes talking her down. It'd been a few days since she shaved.
For twenty minutes I pull this woman's soul from her body, through her fupa. Half-way in she yanks her head up and stares down at her ink-smeared self and asks if 'we can make it bigger.' I've been close to meltdown etching hair-thin lines and trying to avoid hair follicles. She's bleeding and sweating and the stencil wipes off conveyed on a wash of alcohol. We get through it. It looks as good as the name Esteban Angel Manuel can look cursived across a woman's genitals. She and Karen profess joy and are out the door at 10:00. She tips me exactly five dollars.
You want your boyfriend's name on you? No problem. Linda says she'll be there in ten minutes, shows up a half hour later. Linda is an impressively rail thin fourty-something who was probably riding the upper-middle cock carousel a decade back. She's drunk. So's Karen. I am informed that her spanish boyfriend's full name is Esteban Angel Manuel and she would like that, in fancy cursive font, laid straight across her pud.
Well. Okay. After 30 minutes of comparing fonts and cutting shit out and sizing and answering her questions ( "Like is going to hurt, like hurt hurt?") I regretfully inform Linda that she has chosen a tattoo and a boyfriend that will require a microscopic 3R needle. A needle that small feels like a welding torch. Twenty minutes to get the stencil on. Another five minutes talking her down. It'd been a few days since she shaved.
For twenty minutes I pull this woman's soul from her body, through her fupa. Half-way in she yanks her head up and stares down at her ink-smeared self and asks if 'we can make it bigger.' I've been close to meltdown etching hair-thin lines and trying to avoid hair follicles. She's bleeding and sweating and the stencil wipes off conveyed on a wash of alcohol. We get through it. It looks as good as the name Esteban Angel Manuel can look cursived across a woman's genitals. She and Karen profess joy and are out the door at 10:00. She tips me exactly five dollars.
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Campbell1oo4
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Big Phoenix
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Siliconemelons
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Hold up... why is EVERYTHING a Fk'ing TIP
Price your darn work properly.
Price your darn work properly.
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Bubbles
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I more or less ran a red light last Wednesday. I was called in by the police, went today and was fined 40 euros. The whole weekend I wondered how the fuck did they know. That intersection does not have cameras. It barely has proper traffic even on rush hours. Apparently there was a a fucking shitlord with a dashcam behind me who sent in the footage with a complaint. Fuck that guy. He was most likely a tibla
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Hoss
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You think there was one worse than a Mexican boyfriends name?
I'd give even odds he ghosted her before she sobered up.
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Zaara
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Honestly, just dumb video game/anime shit. A guy got Surprised Pikachu so it looked like it was popping out of his sock. I did the 90s notebook ‘S’ behind a guy’s ear. Naruto symbols. Haven’t been doing it long enough for the ‘old school male mermaid blowing himself’ requests but I’m sure it’ll happen eventually.
Izo
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Spit first? DNRs? What do those thot-tattoos on the lower thigh that look like strings/stockings say usually?