Kiroy
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I 100% agree... They advertise the aging prominently on the bottle (the 15yr atleast) to make up for the fact the stuff tastes like ass.
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This year's run was pretty mediocre (as was last year, but last year's was slightly better). It seems the whispers that all current and future releases are not from the original barrel sources may be correct. The golden age of Pappy is coming to an end...
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Best old fashioned:
2 ounces whistle pig rye
1/2 ounce simple
4-5 dashes bitters
orange peel garnish
My favorites:
Whistle pig rye (the $70 bottle, I think 10 year?)
Smooth ambler old scout (7 year, and their rye, both were phenomenal and no longer available)
Weller 12 - amazing test
Elijah Craig 12 (and now the no age statement)
and of course High West Rendezvous Rye (everything by HW is great)
Most nights I just drink whiskey neat, but if I don't feel up to it it's in an old fashioned.
2 ounces whistle pig rye
1/2 ounce simple
4-5 dashes bitters
orange peel garnish
My favorites:
Whistle pig rye (the $70 bottle, I think 10 year?)
Smooth ambler old scout (7 year, and their rye, both were phenomenal and no longer available)
Weller 12 - amazing test
Elijah Craig 12 (and now the no age statement)
and of course High West Rendezvous Rye (everything by HW is great)
Most nights I just drink whiskey neat, but if I don't feel up to it it's in an old fashioned.
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Great lineup. It's unfortunate you (I, anyone) can't find the first two ever, and then people want hundreds per bottle on the secondary market. I can find Whistlepig 10 and 12 all day long on the store shelves here. I bet one day I'll wish I had hoarded it because it's so damn good.
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Can't say I agree with the notion of 1792 being just as good as Pappy, but it is still a good bourbon none-the-less.
Got lucky on Friday when picking up beer that they just got a case of Weller Antique in. Don't need any more bourbon but fuck it, difficult finding any Weller outside of the cheap Special Reserve. $40 bottle of Antique will likely fetch me $200'ish in a month or so if I decide to go that route (it is great bourbon, but a bourbon worth selling instead)...
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The only "pappy" that I've been able to truly appreciate is a bottle of Old Rip Van Winkle 10, because I've been able to drink the whole thing and enjoy it ($300 on secondary market btw). I've had glasses of the other Pappy's at various bars but so rarely that I honestly can't remember the taste. I don't think ORVW10 is worth $300 so I probably won't buy another bottle. It's not better than High West Rendevous Rye or Whistle Pig or even Smooth Ambler Old Scout to justify the price. I think the 23 year pappy is going for $2200 on the secondary market? Insane.
Is OWA fetching $200 on the secondary market? Yikes! I have about 10 bottles of OWA and about 4 of Weller 12 stashed away.
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Kinda related, but it's insane how some alcohol rockets in price. I am a bit of a Cognac connoisseur and while in France, bought a bottle of Richard Hennessy at about 1000 Euro. Same bottle today (9 yrs later) is about $3500+. Apparently the Chinese got a taste for fine cognac and with all the new wealth over there, they obviously can't meet the demand. You can't magic up 200+ year old cognac! (the oldest age of the blend).
Basically all cognacs from XO and up the scale have tripled over the last decade.
Basically all cognacs from XO and up the scale have tripled over the last decade.
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Yup... OWA and Weller 12 fetch a good amount of $$$ in comparison to their original purchase-price. I have a few friends that basically buy yearly releases of bourbon and sell them to "rich New Yorkians" or "dumb Hollywood-money" (their words). If I were you, do the OWA + Weller 12 mix to create the Pappy-clone (it actually works).
Keep 2 bottles of Weller 12, keep 3 bottles of OWA, sell the rest and fund a vacation.
Ishad
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The secondary market is fueled by idiots, makers mark cask strength is a better wheater than owa or Weller 12 but people are lining up to drop $100+ on decent $20+ bottle. I saw people clamoring to buy a bottle of black maple hill no age statement for $500 which was a disappointing bottle when it cost $40. I'm convinced half these people aren't opening these things.
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People with more money than sense basically. There are only a few whiskeys I'd ever buy on the secondary market and even then I'm doubtful I'd actually pull the trigger. It really is crazy that people will spend thousands on Pappy.
...I'm still going to take advantage of these people either way.
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I've said it a time or two in hear, but if you like Bourbon cheap ass rail Evan Williams is great, especially if you like a little less sweet.
Since mix drinks are being discussed, and although I almost always drink my bourbon strait, this was the best mix drink I ever had (from heartwood in seattle):
Good Medicine.
Toki Japanese Whisky, Sidetrack Shiso, Carpano Bianco, Turmeric
I just emailed em asking for the ratios