World of Warcraft: Current Year

a c i d.f l y · Oct 20, 2018

Arena destroyed any interest I had in pvp. Also the magnanimous lack of differentiation between classes that used to exist before it was homogenized into oblivion. A good, coordinated team, objective based, is a lot more fun (for me) than spinning around pillars, or running down a bridge - it's basically trying to take the isolated encounters that happen in a BG and boil it down. I may not have an asston of first hand experience in arena, but I have played it enough to make a personal assessment, and I have watched a lot of the Blizzcon tournaments. The majority of what exists in arena pvp comes down to a) luck of your meta vs the other team's, b) clutch play. The latter is fun and interesting, but isn't what actually happens to win most matches. It's mostly bad meta match-ups, or one team being lucky enough not to fuck up once or twice.

The thing is, the entire game is like 90% PVE, and it's just annoying af that 3v3's tend to dictate any fun and interesting aspects of classes in all other respects of the game. I would be all in favor of splitting the game in two, while being able to share transmogs/mounts or whatever, but skills/talents/gear weren't tied together or shared. What has become flat and homogeneous in the interest of "fair pvp", has taken a pretty big toll on fun and interesting pve.

Arbitrary · Oct 20, 2018

If the class I was playing got nerfed due to something involving pet battles I'd feel the same way about that as I would hearing my class was being changed due to their impact on PvP.

Flipmode · Oct 20, 2018

Literally every MMO that tries to fit PvP into a PvE game fucks them both up. The nature of MMOs make classes imbalanced as fuck for PvP. Then trying to fix said imbalances ruins the class at PvE. Simple as that.

Alkorin · Oct 20, 2018

Arbitrary said:
If the class I was playing got nerfed due to something involving pet battles I'd feel the same way about that as I would hearing my class was being changed due to their impact on PvP.

I'd enjoy this for about 15 seconds, just long enough to see

McCheese fly into an apocalyptic rage.

Flaw · Oct 20, 2018

Booze and alkorin team up and enter the 2v2 arena

They determine abandoning all awareness and tunnel vision the healer is the correct play

The gates open and they both proceed to literally get their heads dunked in dirty toilet bowl water. Getting their cheeks clapped hard at every turn

They lose and spend 10 minutes pointing fingers at each other for who "shoulda, woulda, coulda" and then rage log, never speaking to each other again.

They go forward in life saying pvp sucks!!!! Anytime it's mentioned in public

I would pay to set you two up to stream some 2v2s with each other. I wouldn't even shit talk, id legit offer pointers that may help you see and enjoy PVP differently.

a_skeleton_03 · Oct 20, 2018

Flaw said:
Booze and alkorin team up and enter the 2v2 arena

They determine abandoning all awareness and tunnel vision the healer is the correct play

The gates open and they both proceed to literally get their heads dunked in dirty toilet bowl water. Getting their cheeks clapped hard at every turn

They lose and spend 10 minutes pointing fingers at each other for who "shoulda, woulda, coulda" and then rage log, never speaking to each other again.

They go forward in life saying pvp sucks!!!! Anytime it's mentioned in public

I would pay to set you two up to stream some 2v2s with each other. I wouldn't even shit talk, id legit offer pointers that may help you see and enjoy PVP differently.

Flaw gets into a heroic raid and doesn’t have any of the right gear or enchants.

Dies immediately to the first pull and goes back to PvP.

Flaw comes across a pet in the wild and uses his collector edition pets against it and fails because they happen to be hard countered.

Everyone plays aspects of the game that they like.

I would bet that a STRONG MAJORITY of us have played way way way more PvP of all levels than you have tried PvE. I was next in line for Rank 14 on Hyjal before they changed the system.

You are literally making their point for them. PvP in arenas is so alien to what the rest of WoW is yet it’s a huge factor in decisions made about class design, add on functionality, and gearing.

a c i d.f l y · Oct 20, 2018

The Ridiculous REAL Reason Blizzard Made GCD Changes: PVP Balance; Feedback and a Solution : wow

Having played a balance druid for nearly 15 years, I'm all too familiar with my class getting abilities or talents or legendaries hit with the "too strong in pvp", which fucks up the rotation, weakens spells significantly, changes how they work entirely, or requires an entire rework of the secondary stats in the middle of a fucking expansion. This has been true of literally every expansion after TBC, to the point that I horde gear that are the opposite ideal. For Legion, it was Haste until they made a significant Mastery change after Nighthold. Also consistently reading feral changes, they definitely get kicked in the "too strong for pvp" dick on the regular as well.

Honestly, the malice isn't toward's playing pvp, it's how it impacts the rest of the game. I don't think pve skills should impact how pvp works, either, which is why the concept of gear levels being normalized in BG/Arena I believe was one of the best choices they've made for pvp (minus the part where I can no longer Mythic gear smash folks).

Arbitrary · Oct 20, 2018

Flaw said:
Booze and alkorin team up and enter the 2v2 arena

They determine abandoning all awareness and tunnel vision the healer is the correct play

The gates open and they both proceed to literally get their heads dunked in dirty toilet bowl water. Getting their cheeks clapped hard at every turn

They lose and spend 10 minutes pointing fingers at each other for who "shoulda, woulda, coulda" and then rage log, never speaking to each other again.

They go forward in life saying pvp sucks!!!! Anytime it's mentioned in public

I would pay to set you two up to stream some 2v2s with each other. I wouldn't even shit talk, id legit offer pointers that may help you see and enjoy PVP differently.

A diminishing returns taunt? In 2018?

I bet those noobs don't have any Resilience gear either.

Alkorin · Oct 20, 2018

Arbitrary said:
A diminishing returns taunt? In 2018?

I bet those noobs don't have any Resilience gear either.

Still got full resilience gear on my 70 orc warrior. Let's do this, baby.

And I find your story amusing, Flaw, because you clearly don't know either of us at all.

a_skeleton_03 · Oct 20, 2018

I have no doubt that if

Alkorin and

BoozeCube even slightly enjoyed Arenas they would be 3k rated.

Khane · Oct 20, 2018

I'd be in Method if I actually cared.

Yea.... Coach woulda put me in 4th quarter we woulda been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind.

Morrow · Oct 20, 2018

It's amazing to me that they haven't just made pvp abilities separate by now. It's so simple. Too simple for Blizzard to implement of course.

"Feral druid sucks in pve, but is op in pvp, let's just nerf feral druid across the board, instead of making this ability do less damage against players."

a_skeleton_03 · Oct 20, 2018

Khane said:
I'd be in Method if I actually cared.

Yea.... Coach woulda put me in 4th quarter we woulda been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind.

I don’t think that 3k arena is anywhere near a Method raiding skill. Am I completely wrong? Maybe adjust it down to 2k?

I googled it and elite gear seems to need 1800 so let’s go with that instead.

a_skeleton_05 · Oct 20, 2018

Morrow said:
It's amazing to me that they haven't just made pvp abilities separate by now. It's so simple. Too simple for Blizzard to implement of course.

"Feral druid sucks in pve, but is op in pvp, let's just nerf feral druid across the board, instead of making this ability do less damage against players."

"We don't want to confuse our players by having abilities work differently"

Followed by implementing talents that change your playstyle and only work in PVP and several things that are outright disabled in PVP.

Sabbat · Oct 20, 2018

I enjoy PvE and PvP (even in WoW). AMA.

alavaz · Oct 20, 2018

I'm sure people have been asking for years, but I honestly don't understand why they don't de-couple pvp entirely. Open world pvp is dead and gone so it seems like it wouldn't be to hard to just have the same set of abilities act a little bit differently when a character is instanced into whatever pvp content.

xzi · Oct 21, 2018

Tarisk said:
Never cared for pvp, so doesn't bother me. I thoroughly enjoyed how classes played(at least the classes I played) during WoD if he was in charge of that.

It should bother you. This retard is responsible for

ending pvp vendors
lootbox only drops for pvp gear
removing gladiator stance (the most fun spec they made in years)
purposely made ashran imbalanced because "the alliance haven't won in a long time"
made the faction imbalance that is present today by pushing for insane racial imbalance
introduced flat stat templates for pvp in legion
made "pvp" towers in legion
constantly changed ashran for the sake of making it a win-trade fest

and now he's on class design

this guy is a fucking assclown

Tarisk · Oct 21, 2018

xzi said:
It should bother you. This retard is responsible for

ending pvp vendors

lootbox only drops for pvp gear

removing gladiator stance (the most fun spec they made in years)

purposely made ashran imbalanced because "the alliance haven't won in a long time"

made the faction imbalance that is present today by pushing for insane racial imbalance

introduced flat stat templates for pvp in legion

made "pvp" towers in legion

constantly changed ashran for the sake of making it a win-trade fest

and now he's on class design

this guy is a fucking assclown

I thought someone said he was also in charge of class design before during the same time as ashran. If he wasn't. then yes I'd be concerned. I haven't cared for pvp since vanilla and the high warlord grind days. So that doesn't bother me as much.

I only said I was ok with it if he was in charge of class design during the ashran days too. because I enjoyed how my main and alts played during wod. (didnt care much for the expansion besides that, but my classes always felt good). HOWEVER, if that was not him, then yeah, fuck that.

xzi · Oct 21, 2018

He assisted with combat design for classes, but he wasn't the lead class design. I'm SURE he made a few good changes for the game, but it's hard to overlook the huge glaring issues.

But I mean can't really fuck up BFA that much harder I guess.

BoozeCube · Oct 21, 2018

xzi said:
But I mean can't really fuck up BFA that much harder I guess.

Just give them a chance.

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