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xzi

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split runs are the only reason I don't play mythic and the reason I quit my classic guild. I just want to play my character, man.

As for Method: Scripe doing top dps while raid leading is kind of insane. Having a coach definitely benefited Limit but it just goes to next level of not being fun imo. To each their own and all that I guess.
 
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Arbitrary

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xzi said:
I just want to play my character, man.
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Merrith

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yeah the idea of needing to maintain alts for splits is just crazytown. That example of someone having 4 shadow priests for potential covenant shit is just ridic.
 
xzi

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They claim that covenants won't have that much of an affect because the sheer number of choices to be used in different scenarios make sense to me but have you seen the way blizzard balances things? That warlock trait doing 60,000% more dps than any other warlock trait for like an entire tier? Or even more recently look at corruption?

I really hope they scrap the idea of covenants giving you throughput abilities.
 
Merrith

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xzi said:
They claim that covenants won't have that much of an affect because the sheer number of choices to be used in different scenarios make sense to me but have you seen the way blizzard balances things? That warlock trait doing 60,000% more dps than any other warlock trait for like an entire tier? Or even more recently look at corruption?

I really hope they scrap the idea of covenants giving you throughput abilities.
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There's always going to be a "best". Look at Azerite traits, you literally end up wanting the same pieces throughout the entire expansion for some/most classes (unless they made major nerfs/changes to OP abilities)...just higher ilevel.
 
xzi

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yeah, there will always be a best but there way to address that is the covenants giving you several abilities instead of just one.. which I'm ultimately okay with but there's going to be a raid tier where everyone is going to be like "well this tier has mostly single target melee so.. switch to the vampire bois for leech"

like I said, I just really hope they remove the idea of gaining power through them cause they can't be trusted. Class Halls were a solid thing and you gain nothing from them except like the first few weeks of Legion when the class hall set was actually good
 
Arbitrary

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They claim that covenants won't have that much of an affect because the sheer number of choices to be used in different scenarios make sense to me but have you seen the way blizzard balances things? That warlock trait doing 60,000% more dps than any other warlock trait for like an entire tier? Or even more recently look at corruption?

I really hope they scrap the idea of covenants giving you throughput abilities.
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On the same "I have four 120 SPs" stream they spent some time going over what are I guess the initial Mage abilities. I hadn't been paying attention at all -

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So that's a single target ability, two different AE abilities and a PvP ability. Alright, go ahead and pick your covenant which you will not be allowed to change. There's going to be pressure not only to have the best ability (whatever that it is on a particular patch) but also to have the best ability for each activity the game presents. Is one of these better for PvP? Does one favor Mythic+? So you picked the best covenant for raiding this cycle but after some buffs and nerfs it's tied for last place. Now what?
 
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Khane

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Are you saying there is no respec option at all or that it will be prohibitively expensive like Azerite was?
 
Kuro

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There will be respec, but at the moment they want it to be a pain in the ass to do so.

They could probably sell you some instant-covenant-swap potions on the blizzard store tho
 
Noodleface

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For these guys it's their job though, they're all getting paid now and probably pretty decently. If that was my livelihood you're goddamn right I'd have 4 alts for my class
 
Merrith

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There will be respec, but at the moment they want it to be a pain in the ass to do so.

They could probably sell you some instant-covenant-swap potions on the blizzard store tho
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I thought they said it would be something like the aldors/scryers shit was in TBC...requiring a quest or something to be done in order to switch? I'd assume they'd make it slightly easier than that was back at the time. At least I'd hope so.
 
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Arbitrary said:
On the same "I have four 120 SPs" stream they spent some time going over what are I guess the initial Mage abilities. I hadn't been paying attention at all -

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So that's a single target ability, two different AE abilities and a PvP ability. Alright, go ahead and pick your covenant which you will not be allowed to change. There's going to be pressure not only to have the best ability (whatever that it is on a particular patch) but also to have the best ability for each activity the game presents. Is one of these better for PvP? Does one favor Mythic+? So you picked the best covenant for raiding this cycle but after some buffs and nerfs it's tied for last place. Now what?
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Yeah for sure, there are multiple choices but what they barely mentioned in the main panel (only the Q&A and shit) is there were also seperate NPCs that give you buffs and whatnot for advancing, and there's a different one for each covenant. Sort of like the guy you spend mementos on to make visions have different abilities.

There will be more than just those is the point I'm saying. But yeah I agree, they can't balance them properly and I want them to not even bother with actual skills.
 
Merrith

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Well with mementos eventually you're going to have every talent on the tree. Wonder if each individual covenant will be the same.
 
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Spoiler alert: shadowlands will be full of grindy threadmills that don't matter the patch after, titanbuttfucking will be introduced instead of corruption/titanforging, and there will be even more reps to grind than ever before. Flying will be available mid expac once you grind at least 8 reps to revered.

Also dailies and fucking world quests, everywhere.

Pre order now!
 
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Fucker

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Bragon said:
Spoiler alert: shadowlands will be full of grindy threadmills that don't matter the patch after, titanbuttfucking will be introduced instead of corruption/titanforging, and there will be even more reps to grind than ever before. Flying will be available mid expac once you grind at least 8 reps to revered.

Also dailies and fucking world quests, everywhere.

Pre order now!
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Better yet, the Corrupted Reputation System! If the corruption resistance on your gear doesn't counteract the corruption values on reputation, you get negative rep for completing tasks. Further, there's a new level, too! Extra Exalted! Once you become Extra Exalted, your rep for that faction cannot ever go down!
 
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Fucker said:
Better yet, the Corrupted Reputation System! If the corruption resistance on your gear doesn't counteract the corruption values on reputation, you get negative rep for completing tasks. Further, there's a new level, too! Extra Exalted! Once you become Extra Exalted, your rep for that faction cannot ever go down!
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finally I can get bloodsail and goblins extra exalted

technically you can right now but that ship has long sailed for me I'm too deep in the goblin pussy now
 
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God damn it fucking Blizzard! They almost broke me yesterday. I've been slowly grinding out the BfA reps to get flying. On Friday I only had Champions and the Turtle guys to get to Revered, as well as exploring Mechagone and Naz, or so I thought. So on Saturday after grinding all the WQs for those two factions I went on an epic exploration of those two zones clearing that up. I also dinged with Champs. Then on Sunday, I only had a smidgen of Turtles rep left, ended up spending 500 gold on work orders on the AH because fuck it, I wanted to fly. Turned in the last quest, dinged with Turtles, got a bunch of Achievements, hit my mount key, hit space... and nothing. I was like "Why aren't I flying? What's going on here?" Loaded up the Achievements pane and then noticed that I still lacked two reps, the reps for Mecha and Naz, which were both still at neutral. That's a month of daily grinding more. Fuck that shit!!!

God, you know, I don't mind being grounded til you hit max level, or grounded til you've explored all the zones, or doing the main quests, but this fucking rep gate is AIDS! What's the point after you've done all the quests and seen all of the zone from the ground? And I race swapped to Human a few Expacs ago just to help with this rep grind! God damn this! I bet your bottom dollar it's just a matter of time before they sell flasks of "extra rep XP" potions or whatever in the Store. God!

/rant off
 
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Aaron said:
God damn it fucking Blizzard! They almost broke me yesterday. I've been slowly grinding out the BfA reps to get flying. On Friday I only had Champions and the Turtle guys to get to Revered, as well as exploring Mechagone and Naz, or so I thought. So on Saturday after grinding all the WQs for those two factions I went on an epic exploration of those two zones clearing that up. I also dinged with Champs. Then on Sunday, I only had a smidgen of Turtles rep left, ended up spending 500 gold on work orders on the AH because fuck it, I wanted to fly. Turned in the last quest, dinged with Turtles, got a bunch of Achievements, hit my mount key, hit space... and nothing. I was like "Why aren't I flying? What's going on here?" Loaded up the Achievements pane and then noticed that I still lacked two reps, the reps for Mecha and Naz, which were both still at neutral. That's a month of daily grinding more. Fuck that shit!!!

God, you know, I don't mind being grounded til you hit max level, or grounded til you've explored all the zones, or doing the main quests, but this fucking rep gate is AIDS! What's the point after you've done all the quests and seen all of the zone from the ground? And I race swapped to Human a few Expacs ago just to help with this rep grind! God damn this! I bet your bottom dollar it's just a matter of time before they sell flasks of "extra rep XP" potions or whatever in the Store. God!

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You didn't get to experience the joy of corrupted gear? The quest to get the cloak is a really grindy fetch quest that takes 3 hours the first time and something like half that for alts. I had no intention on getting it for my alts. BUT GUESS WHAT, corrupted gear is common on world quest gear. Don't have a cloak? Your gear WILL FUCKING KILL YOU if you don't have the cloak with offsetting corruption.

Before, you had the option of not grinding raids or dungeons. Now, grinding is required to wear even the most basic gear. This came after players asked to make the game more alt friendly.

Unfuckingreal. I logged out and deleted the game from all my drives. For the first time since WoW came out, it is no longer on any of my computers.
 
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Honestly no point to get flying anymore considering 8.3 is all old world. Flying is only useful for the 10-15 minutes you spend in BFA zones doing quest to get emissary reward.
 
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