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Noodleface said:
Yeah but they didn't spend real dollars.
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That's not how it works.

If you spend gold and ever spend real money on anything that can be purchased with Blizzard bucks past that point: Spending that gold cost you money as that gold could have otherwise been put towards converting it into Blizzard bucks.

Tokens being able to be converted into blizzard bucks means Gold = Blizzard dollars. It's a virtual currency that can be exchanged for another virtual currency that can take place of a real currency.

So unless these guys never spend a single cent on WoW or any other blizzard product: That gold had an actual real world currency value
 
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This semi derail is gayer than Ion’s buttplug.

That’s about as gay as mythic raiding.
 
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When you say they borrowed gold from Gallywix, is that their server or is this some community driven banking syndicate you can borrow gold from?
 
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It's a gold farming/auction house playing discord/reddit community.
 
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When you say they borrowed gold from Gallywix, is that their server or is this some community driven banking syndicate you can borrow gold from?
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It's a giant boosting community that most topend guilds are a part of, all boosts with gold for all forms of content. But the people that run it take a cut of the boosts in return for setting up trusted services for players to go to.

They have a giant amount of people in their discord constantly selling anything you want to buy. Also vaguely annoying ingame cause you can get a portion of the cut for advertising for them. That's why trade chat is 80% spam now.. but it is a trade so it's not quite against rules.

But they are true goblins in that they will exploit anyone for that MONEY BAYBEEEEEE
 
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Khane

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Oh I thought it was the name of the woweconomy discord server. Didn't even realize they had a whole boosting community nowadays.
 
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Yep, you can buy pretty much everything WoW has to offer with gold/money through such services now. It is the literal definition of pay to win.
 
Khane

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Trading in game currency for in game services is not even close to the definition of pay to win...
 
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Khane

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Well, because it requires interaction between players, creates a symbiotic relationship between differing playstyles within the playerbase, creates entire communities of people interacting with each other to facilitate it's prosperity and usability and can be achieved entirely without ever spending real cash.

Now if Blizzard put the titles, rewards and gear that players get from this directly into their own store removing all player interaction whatsoever and just requiring a click of a button and a credit card? Yea, then that's pay to win.

These types of services have been around since long before the WoW token was ever introduced. It's not a new phenomenon created by the WoW token.
 
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Trading in game currency for in game services is not even close to the definition of pay to win...
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I can open my wallet to buy gold through tokens and have just about everything the game has to offer laid at my feet within a day or two. That will include all mythic raiding content within a week or so.

How is that not pay to win?
 
Khane

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See above. Also, with a true pay to win model a la a cash shop there is an infinite amount of rewards that can be purchased. The only limiting factor is the amount of people willing to spend real money in the cash shop.

These boosting communities have a finite number of guilds/players able to hard carry people through the content to get the rewards, and some times they even fail and have to refund. And they can only carry so many people through a Mythic run at once (and only once a week unless they are Method/Limit crazy people with multiple Mythic ready character rosters).
 
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By that logic, it's not pay to win when you buy a super powered gun in a game because you have to actually press the button to pull the trigger, or if you press a button and instantly buy the best gear in the game from the auction house because another player listed it.

You can buy power in the game from effort spent outside the game. That is the very essence of pay to win.
 
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that's a fucking dumb argument though unless they go full on Black Desert Online and make it so players can't trade at all other than the AH

You could open your wallet to buy gold for the entire games history. I bought my first epic mount with bought gold in vanilla. It's not like blizzard bans anyone for buying it.

Just now they get a cut and less people get scammed. Yeah TECHNICALLY it's pay 2 win in the same way that Path of Exile is p2w because you can just buy a headhunter with real money too
 
Khane

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That auction house analogy falls real flat. You can do better than that.

It isn't pay to win. And like I said these services existed long before Blizzard ever created the WoW token. The sudden inclusion of the WoW token doesn't immediately make WoW a pay to win game. And if the WoW token was removed, these communities and services would still exist.

When you pay for loot drops from a Mythic guild carrying you through a Mythic raid you have to hope shit you can use even drops. There are a lot of limiting factors when it's a player driven, in game activity. You are paying for a service from other players, not a guarantee from a cash shop.
 
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