World of Warcraft: Current Year

I'm ambitious and aiming for 9/10 normal on Saturday morning. Part of me wants to say 10/10.

Noodlemod_sl said:

LFR is not meant to be competitive for gearing. At most, it will fill in spots that you aren't getting lucky in, and at best it is a tourism mode for super casual players. There's no reason that people doing LFR should get to see bosses before people who are doing N/H/M.

There is no easy answer here.

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It's also Blizzards way of letting all the casuals and their army of alts get the welfare Legendary.

Abefroman_sl said:

It's also Blizzards way of letting all the casuals and their army of alts get the welfare Legendary.

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I agree, that doesn't mean they should get it before real raiders.

In vanilla they'd just be straight fucked, at least they have an avenue now.

Heh first guild I tried was like that Eidal. "tryouts for mythic team" and wiping on twins normal and none of the leadership had AOTC.

Noodlemod_sl said:

LFR is not meant to be competitive for gearing. At most, it will fill in spots that you aren't getting lucky in, and at best it is a tourism mode for super casual players. There's no reason that people doing LFR should get to see bosses before people who are doing N/H/M.

There is no easy answer here.

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Sure there is an easy answer. The only reason why LFR is delayed is so they can jew $30 more in subs out of a huge portion of their playerbase. It has exactly nothing with who gets to see what first, since raiders will see what BR has to offer if not by today, then by next week.

Silence_sl said:

Sure there is an easy answer. The only reason why LFR is delayed is so they can jew $30 more in subs out of a huge portion of their playerbase. It has exactly nothing with who gets to see what first, since raiders will see what BR has to offer if not by today, then by next week.

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It amazes me how customers have this seething hatred for companies that seek to maximize profits. Really? Its "jewing" the player-base to sell them something they want?

I really don't have a bone to pick in this fight, I dont give a fuck if LFR raiders see BRF at the same time as everyone else. But I've heard it said that by doing it this way, LFR raids will have a handful of players with gear/experience able to set up the fights properly as opposed to just 100 percent mass confusion. Youtube vids and guides will be out, etc etc. I could easily see Blizzard having access to metrics that show LFR completion rate is heavily influenced by percentage of normal+ raiders in the raid -- and its entirely possible that they chose to tune BRF LFR more towards Pandaria style (Durumu, Nazgrim...) In which case, having some real raiders (with two weeks of gear and experience) is probably a nice thing.

Regardless of what the general forums depict, I find it hard to believe that the majority of LFR raiders are so frothing mad about this that they feel jewed. That implies a fascinating overlap of: super invested in the WoW raid scene BUT only does LFR... (???).

I asked my friend who only does LFR what his perspective is and he said he A) still needs gear from Highmaul, B) and he likes having something to look forward to.

Silence_sl said:

Sure there is an easy answer. The only reason why LFR is delayed is so they can jew $30 more in subs out of a huge portion of their playerbase. It has exactly nothing with who gets to see what first, since raiders will see what BR has to offer if not by today, then by next week.

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No. Those people who do LFR and only LFR do tons of other shit and this has nothing to do with subs. Those casuals are subbed more then actual raiders.

Noodlemod_sl said:

LFR is not meant to be competitive for gearing. At most, it will fill in spots that you aren't getting lucky in, and at best it is a tourism mode for super casual players. There's no reason that people doing LFR should get to see bosses before people who are doing N/H/M.

There is no easy answer here.

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LFR was that... but it isn't anymore. People were running Normal Mode PUGs and clearly BRF on the first day. Simply delaying one week would eliminate any chance of an LFR-untouchable from seeing anything first. Do you honestly think that people who are running Normal need a 7 week head start to see the final boss of BRF? Normal is pretty much tuned to be the same that LFR was in Mists of Pandaria.

No one is going to be gearing anything out of LFR. The loot is lower quality than what you get from the freaking Garrison. There is a difference between being non competitive and being 100% completely useless to anyone. Mists had it right, same general loot at a much lower ilevel that kept LFR segregated nicely from the "real raiders" but where the LFR types would feel their own much reduced sense of accomplishment and progression path through the content.

There is no rational scenario where a player who is playing the game today will have a single item that is upgraded by the LFR Blackrock Foundry so who are they designing this content for? It went from a means by which people could still experience the raid content progression during an expansion to a shameless effort to get people to sub for 2 more months as they gate content behind a clock.

No way man, those dudes who are casual are just waiting for LFR to be released before unsubbing.

Sabbat_sl said:

Just how bad is the DK set bonus? Everyone is super excited about their respective bonus, but DK (unholy) seems pretty lacklustre.

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2pc is buffed in 6.1 to give +40% damage to the ghoul while he's transformed. That's a solid bonus, something like a 4-5% dps gain from what I recall reading, so 2pc is completely mandatory for us. 4pc is utter shit and I've heard people complaining that the extra runes do more to fuck up their rotation than help it. Sims say it's a 1-2% dps increase to use the 4pc+gloves over just the 2pc+gloves/shoulders/helm offset items, but I don't think it's worth the bother unless they buff it.

Noodlemod_sl said:

Rather than bring tanks in line with Monks, they'll bring Monks in line with other tanks. It's the way blizzard has always operated, nerf from the top down.

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I think they're exaggerating monks' advantage over other tanks a bit there anyway. DKs are just fine in BRF, just as they were in HM when we had this exact same conversation and I showed how DKs were doing 40k+ HPS and had AMS to ignore a whole bunch of mechanics.

P.S.Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraftlooks pretty balanced to me. Super low sample size of course, but all the tanks are getting the job done.

I know one of our tanks (war or pal?) had to have lots of external cooldown help to do Oregorger without blowing ranged the fuck up every time.

Kreugen_sl said:

I know one of our tanks (war or pal?) had to have lots of external cooldown help to do Oregorger without blowing ranged the fuck up every time.

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Then he was doing it wrong.

We started on heroic, Gruul was easy, took 16 attempts to kill Ore because our melee are still just as bad at interrupting barrage as they were decay on Brack. Eventually people remembered how to move correctly out of the bosses way and we killed it but it was already almost the end of the raid and we just did a couple pulls of Furnace for fun. Won't be going back to Furnace for the rest of the week. Shouldn't be a problem getting 7/10 or 8/10H this week.

I looked at some logs and it appears that tanks sometimes take the acid damage as well as the physical. Other tanks take only the physical, no acid at all. This makes me think that the ones who took acid stood too close to the ranged when they intercepted the spray. Taking both hits certainly seems like it would be a strain on the healers.

Vorph_sl said:

I looked at some logs and it appears that tanks sometimes take the acid damage as well as the physical. Other tanks take only the physical, no acid at all. This makes me think that the ones who took acid stood too close to the ranged when they intercepted the spray. Taking both hits certainly seems like it would be a strain on the healers.

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Are you saying that both tanks are in front of ranged? Shouldn't just one be? or is there a physical component to acid

Isn't the acid the dmg after the projectile hits the first person?

Physical mitigation cooldowns are used on the tank to reduce the amount of acid torrent damage the rest of the raid takes.

Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraft

Gamlial is the second tank, PLD.