World of Warcraft: Current Year

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Eidal_sl said:
What puzzles me isn't that people are happy about flying, that's obvious -- but to what riveting open-world content are we gleefully flying? Aside from the 90-100 grind, what is there? Apexis daily which takes 10 minutes? I guess I can see the interest for the folks who really want multiple 100s but I can barely relate... there is nothing that Blizzard could do that would make 90-100 actually engaging, short of making it hard as fuck which would alienate 95 percent of their playerbase.
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100%. My mind is really blown as to why people want flying back so badly... There is nothing to do in Draenor that doesn't take place in: 1) Your garrison 2) Ashran 3) BRF. I personally was cool with them sticking with their guns if they felt it made the game better. I hope for new content going forward they don't have flying at least for some amount of time. Then again the "World" aspect of World of Warcraft doesn't exist at all anymore, so guess it doesn't really matter. At least there is a little gate there before acquiring (God forbid you actually have to earn something).

When the fuck is 6.2 dropping, holy shit... With the homogenization of the classes, 6.2 is good for one play through. Before we realize that the current game isn't quite exciting enough to slave over throwing together a Mythic roster, just so everyone can stop playing a month later. Game really has become very cyclical.
 
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Eidal_sl said:
What puzzles me isn't that people are happy about flying, that's obvious -- but to what riveting open-world content are we gleefully flying? Aside from the 90-100 grind, what is there? Apexis daily which takes 10 minutes? I guess I can see the interest for the folks who really want multiple 100s but I can barely relate... there is nothing that Blizzard could do that would make 90-100 actually engaging, short of making it hard as fuck which would alienate 95 percent of their playerbase.
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Sometimes I enjoy farming out in the world, but all my reps are almost complete (got a bit of those goblins and I'm about revered with Laughing Skull but haven't really been grinding it) and flying will take like... 30 entire seconds out of the downtime. AKA who cares. I don't mind flying though, especially since I play on a carebear server nowadays so ganking doesn't matter anymore.

I think the real question players should be asking is "Can you fly in your Garrison" because that is the endgame content in WoD it seems tbh
 
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Dull design, sure, but I wouldn't call mythic raiding boring. There is a huge amount of raid coordination required. Now there's still the '2 dps die and you'll hit enrage' mechanic which is awful because some people can't help but make mistakes.

A big thing for me definitely though is that I didn't really raid in any expansion since Vanilla and the only wow style raiding I did in that huge stretch of time was Rift. Rift encounters were very easy. I enjoy the challenge that mythic is giving.
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If you like that kind of gameplay, sure it's not boring. It's a team game where you need precise action from a bunch of people or you lose. Personally, the whole thing is very unimaginative and dull.
 
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Runnen_sl said:
I would hardly call the flying requirements a "massive gate"..

- Exploring all the zones at least once should be pretty much expected of anyone.. you PAID to see this content and you're not even checking out the zones you're going to spend two years in?

- Doing all the assault dailies in the garrison.. Garrisons have been the main feature of this whole expansion, and you have to do like 10 dailies.. the fact that there are complaints about that after Mists of Pandaria's dozens of dailies EVERYDAY is astounding..

- Getting 100 treasures.. there's like 300+ in all of Draenor, so it's not like you're gonna have to buy Nintendo Power.. also they're not just for flavor, they give you money, materials, or ressources.. all of which can be useful, and there's like 75 of them in the first fucking zone of the expansion, where you would have been walking around anyway.

- Get 3 new reps to REVERED. Not Exalted, Revered.. which means basically a -maybe- ten hours grind for all 3 reps combined to get flying on ALL toons, at level 90, not 100.

That sounds a LOT less "massive gate" to me than having to farm 5000 gold to buy flying in Outland back when you had to sell a kidney to afford that kind of cost.

People just love to complain.
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Paid to see this content? dafuq? i said to gear up and raid - dont give a fuck about the rest of the game. I am sure that im the minority on the issue but i dont do any of that shit required for flying....at all... Garrison invasions? no thanks, exploring? no thanks - i just do whats needed to attain gear and rape bosses and thats it.

Like i said,...the minority - when 6.2 hits it will be the same thing. I will just use my feather to move around quicker when needed.
 
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You can do them with missives from your garrison quartermaster, makes the achievement faster, but yeah still very boring.
 
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The requirements aren't actually bad after looking into it. Still stupid to gate it on achievements other than finishing the story lines.
 
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Eidal_sl said:
What puzzles me isn't that people are happy about flying, that's obvious -- but to what riveting open-world content are we gleefully flying?
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Archeology digsites.

Seriously. I haven't "finished" archeology because every dig site is "find dig site. Take stupid flying path that lands me opposite dig site from where I am. Find correct road, run around a dozen mob packs. Dig. Run back to fly point, repeat". But outside of that, there's no real need. I have my ogre waygates that drop me next to the raid, and the garrison that provides me with every mats I need for crafts, plus there's a straight line flypath to where I do my apexis (which I do for the rep, not the apexis).

Of course, having flying with my harvester will immensely help with felblight... except that, by the time I'm revered with the 3 reps, I will probably not need anymore.
 
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Also, half the dig-sites are multi-level shitfests that take twice-thrice as long without flying.
 
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I'm not really one way or another with flying, honestly. Herbs are gonna stay the same price cause people ain't gonna farm anyways so I guess more money for me. I guess it'll be neat to go fly and sit afk in the city that was supposed to actually be a main city lololol
 
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All this bullshit to unlock flying?

Fuck Blizzard.

That shit should be opened up account wide once a toon hits 100. Ride around like a fucking plebeian the first time leveling up then unlock it for all your alts. That's it.

Raise 3 factions to revered and a bunch of other stupid achievements to unlock something that's been in the game since BC?

Fuck this game.
 
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Flying should've never been put in the game in the first place. Now they have to come up with all these complex reasons and justifications to keep people from flying. I'm perfectly fine with them gating it behind "bullshit."
 
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Flying is awesome, if you didn't get a boner the first time you mounted up in TBC you are literally hitler.
 
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SorrowsEnd_sl said:
Raise 3 factions to revered and a bunch of other stupid achievements to unlock something that's been in the game since BC?
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Actually, given that their reason for not allowing us to fly is because "our quest content is much better experienced on ground", the achieve are good, since they "prove" you've done all that questing at least once, on ground. Been there, done that, now gimme me flyin' mount.

The 3 reps are completely stupid, though.
 
Slaythe

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I'd remove flight entirely or in a better scenario have never implemented it, but I'm also one of those lawl travel immersion assholes we all hate.
 
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Because riding on a lion with bat wings on a set path is immersion, but riding on a lion with bat wings wherever you want breaks immersion... right...

Unless you are alleging you should have to ride everywhere, no flight paths even. If that is the case, kill yourself you heathen.
 
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It's cheaper to design zones without flying grids, 3D zone borders and the roughly 30% more content you have to put into a zone with flying as opposed to non-flying zones where anything inaccessible (think about all the mountains and shit in every zone) can be left a crude cardboard facade instead of fully textured real estate with working surfaces etc. This is also why the pre-TBC zones couldn't have flying until they were redesigned in Cata. So they decided to cut that expense in WoD and that's all there ever was to it. Any talk of immersion was just Blizzard bullshitting people into thinking there was any real merit to no flying. Today's Blizzard is all about minimized production costs and lying to their customers. Every decision is about the profit margin, nothing more. If you think Blizzard genuinely felt that the game would be better without flying, you're na?ve.
 
Eidal

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But, the zones in WoD were clearly designed ready-to-go for flying. If they hadn't have been, there is no way Aviana's Feather wouldn't have had people falling through the zone left and right. Perhaps this was a test run to see if future zones could be non-flying... but their playerbase spoke loud and clear enough that they backed away.
 
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