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Cupcaek

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We had to tighten up our approach on Serpentrix and Wrath specifically because of all the bullshit constantly making our resto shm move around. It's not an issue if you run with the same group that knows how to deal, but in pugs, it would suck.
I pretty much only pug these days, including my eye 10 last week. It's really not bad.
 

ZyyzYzzy

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I don't think you understand it at all. I am pretty positive you don't.

Just because some people bot doesn't mean they are counting that "play time" against you. Just because some people bot doesn't mean they don't play manually also, and more often than you, or less often.

Nobody expected you to have 3 characters raid ready.

You complained a few times you didn't have a legendary yet or that your DPS was low. The solution was to play more and people told you that. Do it or don't.

Literally nobody is still discussing it but you for what reason I don't know.
I don't see how playtime would help his dps and legendaries are gay.
 

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Versatility gear drops in droves in ToV but that place is Aids.

The ilvl of gear versus effort put in is pretty low for raids. My guild does Heroic EN and Normal EN on an off night. It takes us 2 hours soup to nuts. With 2-3 warforged pieces per run and the volume of gear that drops it gets people up really quickly. I'm not saying I advocate using it as the only way to gear but you can get a lot of high ilvl stuff for very little effort. For M+ I don't really shoot for anything specifically except Trinkets. Other gear is so hard to find a BiS that you just hope something Titanforges in an M+ but I count on getting zero drops every time I do M+.
I'll admit I didn't look into ToV gear that much. I did like that they had more stat-stick trinkets. I really dislike clicky or proc trinkets because they're hard to model.

You're looking at the effort involved to clear EN after you're past the learning phase AND you have the support of a guild. I'm not looking for required raid nights or guild(I think my wife would kill me anyway), so the few times I've done EN, it's been essentially PUGs. And while both times went better than I expected(~4 hours to clear normal EN), that's still way more time than I'd like to invest for maybe an upgrade or two. I'm relatively certain I can get more gear from M+ for the same amount of time along with less frustration from having to explain fights to new people and still have them fuck it up.

Not saying that part doesn't still happen in M+. It just happens less because 5 people instead of 20.
 

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I don't know anything about Fury. I see very few Fury warriors
Juggernaut increases the damage of execute by 5% each time you use execute. Stacks up to 99 times. Juggernaut only last 6s so it's fucking annoying in itself. But Wrath is definitely THE fight for it to shine.

Shame there aren't more fury warriors. It's the less annoying DPS warrior spec. Both arms and fury have some serious fundamental problems though.
 

Fyff

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I'll admit I didn't look into ToV gear that much. I did like that they had more stat-stick trinkets. I really dislike clicky or proc trinkets because they're hard to model.

You're looking at the effort involved to clear EN after you're past the learning phase AND you have the support of a guild. I'm not looking for required raid nights or guild(I think my wife would kill me anyway), so the few times I've done EN, it's been essentially PUGs. And while both times went better than I expected(~4 hours to clear normal EN), that's still way more time than I'd like to invest for maybe an upgrade or two. I'm relatively certain I can get more gear from M+ for the same amount of time along with less frustration from having to explain fights to new people and still have them fuck it up.

Not saying that part doesn't still happen in M+. It just happens less because 5 people instead of 20.
Most guilds allow casuals. Most of those allow casuals to attend farming runs. If you're interested in gearing I would suggest finding a guild that you can join alt runs when you are free.
 
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Noodleface

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I don't think you understand it at all. I am pretty positive you don't.

Just because some people bot doesn't mean they are counting that "play time" against you. Just because some people bot doesn't mean they don't play manually also, and more often than you, or less often.

Nobody expected you to have 3 characters raid ready.

You complained a few times you didn't have a legendary yet or that your DPS was low. The solution was to play more and people told you that. Do it or don't.

Literally nobody is still discussing it but you for what reason I don't know.
Not really sure what you're talking about. Do you still play?

Here's a real example for you though:

Crone said to me early on 'there's no reason a main tank in our guild should have 830 boots' . For whatever reason, via shit luck and not poopsocking, I did though. So I find it quite humorous to have possibly the biggest botter in the guild to say something like that to me, looking back on it that is.

Its like I can't make a post about it because it happened a month or two ago. I already said the shit I receive now is mostly joking.

Youve disagreed with how I ran the guild from the start so it's not surprising you have a problem with how I post either faggot.
 
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Chancellor Alkorin

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Juggernaut increases the damage of execute by 5% each time you use execute. Stacks up to 99 times. Juggernaut only last 6s so it's fucking annoying in itself. But Wrath is definitely THE fight for it to shine.

Shame there aren't more fury warriors. It's the less annoying DPS warrior spec. Both arms and fury have some serious fundamental problems though.
Looking forward to trying my dps on this fight once I get my fury artifact up that high. I haven't done it yet -- I'm tanking most of the time -- but it'll be interesting to see how high I can get the number.
 

Noodleface

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Looking forward to trying my dps on this fight once I get my fury artifact up that high. I haven't done it yet -- I'm tanking most of the time -- but it'll be interesting to see how high I can get the number.

Let's both tank in fury and see if anyone notices
 
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ZyyzYzzy

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Not really sure what you're talking about. Do you still play?

Here's a real example for you though:

Crone said to me early on 'there's no reason a main tank in our guild should have 830 boots' . For whatever reason, via shit luck and not poopsocking, I did though. So I find it quite humorous to have possibly the biggest botter in the guild to say something like that to me, looking back on it that is.

Its like I can't make a post about it because it happened a month or two ago. I already said the shit I receive now is mostly joking.

Youve disagreed with how I ran the guild from the start so it's not surprising you have a problem with how I post either faggot.
Wait complaining about ilvl...when secondary stats are king?
 

Chancellor Alkorin

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Let's both tank in fury and see if anyone notices
I actually did this the other day, in reg Mythic HoV, because I wanted the fury artifact drop off Skovald and wasn't sure if loot spec set to fury was enough. It worked out pretty well. Only dropped below 50% hp once and no one managed to pull off me.

Let's try it on Ursoc imo. I'll even use my shield trinket to throw the healers off.
 

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Secondary stats aren't king for prot warriors. Str boosts Ignore Pain so it compares well to versatility and mastery. And depending on your HP and content you're tackling, STA might be rated quite high too. AC is always good.
 

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Yep, I'll admit I was using a flawed simulator at the time(still could be now!) and my understanding of tanking mechanics was still developing. Favoring JUST str might be wrong too though. It's close enough to versatility and mastery that you can't just compare that one stat.
 

Noodleface

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Well you can't really favor str anyways except on trinkets, but I use a few different trinkets anyways.

Typically I focus on haste and mastery
 

Cupcaek

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I see crones point. In general you expect the main tank to be the most geared dedicated person in the guild or one of. It was very off putting when you showed up to raid in leveling gear basically.

Obviously I'm an outlier due to my playtime but I showed up to that first raid with 850+ ilvl. But obviously casual guild not hardcore guild so gotta expect casual things.

Also @a_skeleton_03 or @Crone whoever said they like watching their bot run I agree it's mesmerizing.
 

Sumdain x

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finally 7/7 in Mythic EN, rolled over to ToV and 1 shot Heroic Helya (first pull ever for my guild), went on to mythic odyn and got rofl stomped for the next 3 hours. we are getting Odyn to Phase 2 ~ 70% and thats after ~7 minutes of fighting him, fuck fights that long.

the fact of the matter with tanking is ilevel does matter, as high as you can jack up secondary stats hp and str (for larger ip shields) still most likely win out. same with artifact level, i just hit 36 points and the 35th point gave a noticeable (in the parses) damage reduction, not many of the warrior talents do "nothing" some are incredibly niche but all are useful in some way. currently im sitting at 29% haste, 51% mastery, 4% vers (unbuffed) and there are fights that still blow me up with incoming damage.