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Chancellor Alkorin

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Sumdain x Sumdain x , do you notice the haste making a huge difference in your mitigation? I'm assuming via SB uptime? My haste is stupid low, mostly because I've had horrible luck on drops, and I'm wondering how important getting it to ~30% is.
 

Deathwing

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Haste is not better from an overall mitigation standpoint. It might lead to smoother damage intake, but it's really hard to have a simplified metric for that though. You block more stuff but then you also critically block more stuff, so you're still getting spikes in one fashion or another. I have no idea which stat, haste or versatility, is better for prot tank dps.

ZyyzYzzy ZyyzYzzy You can't stack it obviously, but STA increases from higher ilvl need to be considered instead of just zeroing in on the secondary stats.
 

Sumdain x

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Sumdain x Sumdain x , do you notice the haste making a huge difference in your mitigation? I'm assuming via SB uptime? My haste is stupid low, mostly because I've had horrible luck on drops, and I'm wondering how important getting it to ~30% is.

it's personal preference, i like being able to keep SB up 100% of the time but not at the expense of losing too much mastery. if you cant keep 40%+ mastery i wouldn't bother trying to stack haste since the SB doesn't mitigate enough to make it useful.
 

Noodleface

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Cupcaek Cupcaek I believe for the first raid I was between 840.and 850,not sure why you think I was in levelling gear​

Moot Point anyways I guess, I'm 874 now
 

Chancellor Alkorin

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it's personal preference, i like being able to keep SB up 100% of the time but not at the expense of losing too much mastery. if you cant keep 40%+ mastery i wouldn't bother trying to stack haste since the SB doesn't mitigate enough to make it useful.
I'm at 50% mastery atm, only 11% haste though. 14% versatility. Might be off base on what is best. I don't know what my SB uptime is, either, but it can't be anywhere near 100% with that haste. I could switch most of that versatility out for haste but I'll only go there if it'll make a big difference.
 

Cupcaek

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I'm at 50% mastery atm, only 11% haste though. 14% versatility. Might be off base on what is best. I don't know what my SB uptime is, either, but it can't be anywhere near 100% with that haste. I could switch most of that versatility out for haste but I'll only go there if it'll make a big difference.
both of you tend to be around the 50-60% uptime mark on SB
 

Chancellor Alkorin

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Not shabby. Not ideal, but could be worse.

I'm going to look at upping my haste, I think. Need to get some better luck with drops, because mine has sucked for secondary stats.
 

Noodleface

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You do mitigate more than me, part of that is your high versa I'd imagine

As for SB uptime I try to hit it everytime it's up but who knows. I try not to hit it when I'm not active so it's tough to gauge

Sucks those 830 boots are holding me back and I never upgraded them during or after the first raid
 

Noodleface

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Do Paladins and DHs put this much effort into the uptime of their short term defensive abilities?
I feel like we should theory craft in the tank thread but I don't think everyone has access.

I don't like managing shield block. I use weak auras so it lets me know but I probably miss it a bit. I've never even played with a DH tank so who knows.
 

Deathwing

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Short cooldown abilities like shield block is one of the reasons I dropped warrior and eliminated paladin and DH as my tank alt. It's just maintenance, no thought goes into pressing the skill. Thus, you're punished for not keeping it up as often as possible yet it's not short enough to fit into a standard rotation.

Having a weakauras setup does help considerably. This is the best I've found so far:
Khakhan's Prot War (1 of 2)
It even helps with proper weaving of FR and IP if you have Vengeance and suggests Revenge at the right time if single target. But even with that much help, I found it was too much shit to pay attention to. So I just went with guardian druid. Props to people who can properly hack prot warrior, I couldn't and I suspect I tunnel vision quite easily.
 

Fyff

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DH's don't have to put in much effort to be able to use their physical or magical mitigation. Until Nighthold and the Tier set they don't have 100% uptime of the physical like Druids have. Basically unless you are trying to be some sort of all star DPS though you have the resources to use mitigation when you want to.
 

alavaz

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I've been looking at H Odyn logs... It really looks like lack of range is a pretty big obstacle for this fight. Most people kill him around 8:30-9 minutes - that's not even with particuarly good DPS. I wish I had the time to go full stop hunter right now, but it's not feasible.
 

xzi

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I think I might be done until nighthold. I am sick of never getting gear that has appropriate stats and even if we clear heroic HoV nothing in there is useful to me except one item if it rolls really high. I enjoy raiding but that's about the only thing I enjoy in the game atm. I am honestly 100% salty that my prot gear is now better than my holy gear and I really don't want to tank but it feels fucking stupid not to.

idunno, might show up friday but my account dies saturday, I have a gametime coin so can come back whenever but meh
 
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Brikker

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Wrath of Azshara starts at execute range. Both of those classes have executes. MM Hunters have a kind of execute too I think (A proc on mobs under 35% health or something?). A well geared Arms warrior will annihilate that boss. The arms warrior in my guild can do 850k to 1m dps which makes the fight much shorter and obviously much easier.

Bullseye gold trait and another regular trait: Bullseye gives stacking buff for 30% more crit on mobs at 20% and lower health, the other trait makes crits do 50% more damage when using Trueshot (regardless of health level, but you pair the two for execute phase and do like 10%+ more dps).

And while both times went better than I expected(~4 hours to clear normal EN),

jesus, no wonder you don't like raiding. that is horrid. a decent EN Normal clear takes an hour tops.
 

Khane

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Deathwing is really, really undergeared compared to most people at this point in the expansion so he's likely only going to get invited to bad groups unless he gets himself into a carry. Best way to do that would be to join a guild that does normal/heroic runs for alts.