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Alkorin

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Nite1 said:
As to mythic acid, you need 20 people on the server to do mythic raids. I think most of your playerbase voted against it.
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I don't know if the answer would be the same if we asked that question today. That said, we can field 20 people (on Fridays, anyway), but our dps as a whole is not up to par for mythic raiding. We'd also have to start sitting people if they didn't fit the mold of what we need, and this would probably happen regularly, e.g., we are very melee heavy most of the time.

Add to that the fact that a lot of people in the guild don't do some raid prep -- they show up on Fridays and sometimes Mondays, but some aren't flasked, some have no (appropriate) food, etc. A lot of people aren't pushing M+ for better gear. All of this makes for a difficult time raiding anything mythic (including H Helya, because she's definitely no EN H). We are still having trouble with H Guarm, and he's a loot pinata by comparison. This isn't a hardcore guild and we're well aware.
 
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Eyeball was the hardest boss in Mythic EN for us definitely more unforgiving than HHelya.

Nyth is a slight dps check and an easy mechanic (just have the same tank take the first 3-4 volatiles and youre good)
Ursoc is a harder dps check
Spiderbird is a positioning fight with a slight healer check in the middle and requires 3 tanks (one with good aoe grabbing capability or a hunter or two for misdirect)
dragons is a clusterfuck of dont stand in shit, its harder than it looks in videos but still tame
eyeball is a wipe fest until you decide how many blobs you can handle and the spacing in killing them, then its a dps check because you need everyone alive especially if you are pulling low dps numbers
Cenarius is a dps check (again) if you use the burn burn burn strat with 3 tanks
xavius is just a positioning boss with a slight dps check (lower than Ursoc)
 
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Alkorin said:
I don't know if the answer would be the same if we asked that question today. That said, we can field 20 people (on Fridays, anyway), but our dps as a whole is not up to par for mythic raiding. We'd also have to start sitting people if they didn't fit the mold of what we need, and this would probably happen regularly, e.g., we are very melee heavy most of the time.

Add to that the fact that a lot of people in the guild don't do some raid prep -- they show up on Fridays and sometimes Mondays, but some aren't flasked, some have no (appropriate) food, etc. A lot of people aren't pushing M+ for better gear. All of this makes for a difficult time raiding anything mythic (including H Helya, because she's definitely no EN H). We are still having trouble with H Guarm, and he's a loot pinata by comparison. This isn't a hardcore guild and we're well aware.
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The fact that people need to/are required to run m+ to gear for raids is a reason why I hate Legion. Thanks Blizzard for making it more worthwhile for me to have run M+ DHT 20 times than do H EN once since loot was terribly itemized or my spec.
 
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Even Ive stepped back and started doing M+ with my buds on Friday nights and randomly whenever else I can.

I don't like M+, I've made that very clear. It's also very clear that blizzard is going to see M+ as a smashing success and it will stick around.
 
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ZyyzYzzy said:
The fact that people need to/are required to run m+ to gear for raids is a reason why I hate Legion. Thanks Blizzard for making it more worthwhile for me to have run M+ DHT 20 times than do H EN once since loot was terribly itemized or my spec.
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I feel like this is way over the top, especially if you are only raiding heroic. You don't "need" to run M+.

Will doing content help? Yes. Will content labeled Mythic possibly be better then content labeled Heroic? Sure. Is some of the itemization terrible? Yes. Can you get by on a full raid of people in EN gear doing Heroic EN? Absolutely.

Honestly the artifact power is the biggest issue this expansion. The difference in dps and surivability is directly tied to your ability to poop sock artifact power.
 
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Fyff said:
I feel like this is way over the top, especially if you are only raiding heroic. You don't "need" to run M+.

Will doing content help? Yes. Will content labeled Mythic possibly be better then content labeled Heroic? Sure. Is some of the itemization terrible? Yes. Can you get by on a full raid of people in EN gear doing Heroic EN? Absolutely.

Honestly the artifact power is the biggest issue this expansion. The difference in dps and surivability is directly tied to your ability to poop sock artifact power.
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What? Was referencing Alk saying people needed to gear up for H Heyla by doing M+.
 
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I actually believe if a guild solely did heroic EN and not any mythic+ they wouldn't even be able to kill guarm in heroic unless they had a ton of 80%+ dpsers
 
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Noodleface said:
I actually believe if a guild solely did heroic EN and not any mythic+ they wouldn't even be able to kill guarm in heroic unless they had a ton of 80%+ dpsers
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Except to get into 80% they'd probably need war/titanforged relics from a random M+ dungeon Thanks blizzard for turning WoW into D3
 
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Noodleface said:
Not true. If they won the legendary lotto...

Oh
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Another reason I just stopped playing, my performance for DPS dropped dramatically since I replaced my second thrash relic despite a 20ilvl upgrade on the new one and I don't want to run a bunch of gay M+ again at high lvls on the off chance of ever getting a thrash relic again.
 
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Fyff said:
Honestly the artifact power is the biggest issue this expansion. The difference in dps and surivability is directly tied to your ability to poop sock artifact power.
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AP is locked behind AK is locked behind time subbed/at 110.

Getting good gear is gated behind RNG which comes from stupid amounts of running the same shit over and over until you get lucky.

Game isn't about character improvement or development. Just a couple fancy timesinks to keep you distracted from the fact you aren't progressing by any act of your own.

I think I have more fun playing alts - at least I see levels go up and gear improve. Which sucks, because I play MMO's for the character investment - I don't typically enjoy RPG's without a strong protagonist, venturing from slaying a squirrel to defeating legions of dragons.
 
Alkorin

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ZyyzYzzy said:
What? Was referencing Alk saying people needed to gear up for H Heyla by doing M+.
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I said it because it's true. H Helya (and the rest of H ToV, to some extent) is not on the same level as H EN. Whether it should be tuned that way or not is another discussion. As it stands, we are having trouble because (to some extent) of the dps that we put out as a raid. That usually gets better with gear upgrades. Those (unfortunately or not) usually come from M+.
 
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Alkorin said:
I said it because it's true. H Helya (and the rest of H ToV, to some extent) is not on the same level as H EN. Whether it should be tuned that way or not is another discussion. As it stands, we are having trouble because (to some extent) of the dps that we put out as a raid. That usually gets better with gear upgrades. Those (unfortunately or not) usually come from M+.
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I was agreeing with you lol. Fyfyytfy brought up n en to h en
 
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Also some failures are directly from me running back to hymdall before he actually casts horn of valor
 
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Alkorin

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ZyyzYzzy said:
I was agreeing with you lol. Fyfyytfy brought up n en to h en
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Yeah, I should have made it clear who I was replying to. Duh.

Fyff: We can't get by on a raid full of people geared from H EN. The proof is in the pudding.
 
Alkorin

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Noodleface said:
Also some failures are directly from me running back to hymdall before he actually casts horn of valor
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I did that too once. I just stared at the ceiling and laughed. I'm not used to anything one-shotting me.
 
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