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TJT

Mr. Poopybutthole
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The ranged/melee DPS and healer ratings seem to be pretty consistent between anyone rating them.

But god damn if the tank ratings aren't ALL over the place. Paladin is consistently getting mid tier but I've seen monk and druid at both the top and bottom of the list along with the same for DK and Warrior. Demon Hunter is also either mid tier by most peoples' reckoning.
 

xzi

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You have to understand he's talking to the casual retard in this game and there are a lot of them, have you ever played with pugs? He's probably right when saying most of the population isn't going to be able to solo legion content
 

Khane

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You have to understand he's talking to the casual retard in this game and there are a lot of them, have you ever played with pugs? He's probably right when saying most of the population isn't going to be able to solo legion content

Don't forget that there are 4 difficulties of raid in Legion and even the casual dummies will be able to solo Raid Finder likely fairly early on into BfA (well you would be able to if you could solo queue with legacy loot mode hahaha!). But soloing aside you are still at the mercy of forced personal loot even if you try to duo, or trio or something similar. You might not get any loot at all. And none of that matters anyway because why the fuck is it a problem if I can solo a Legion raid? Like how fucking stupid is it that I am worse off soloing it than I am trying to get a full raid for 2-3 year old content? Why is legacy loot mode being 11 or more levels necessary and why was it even on anyone's radar at Blizzard? It's ridiculous.
 

kaid

Blackwing Lair Raider
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At least it looks like the weekly dungeon boost thing was a bug as that was a real kick in the nuts to leveling xp.
 

Korillo

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Even if you can solo it you will still be at the mercy of the loot system. You currently only get 1 piece of loot for going back and doing WoD content, so I imagine it'll be the same if you attempt Legion content at 120.

They have always made past expansion content like 99% worthless, so idk wtf they are thinking here. Really, really dumb.
 

McCheese

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Hope you guys got your Taeschalach

I killed that fire dude exactly one time and got that. I guess I was lucky! I might have destroyed it (or sold it)? Does it matter if I destroyed it, does it stay in my transmog?
 

Chancellor Alkorin

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It used to cause your autoattacks to generate 5 rage and have a 30% chance to reset SS cooldown, on the same row as a talent that gave 25% more HP. From a DPS/rage perspective this talent won hands down.

In terms of prot warrior for BfA I dont know what warriors will be choosing, but on the surface it still seems like the better talent in the tier. But I haven't played mine in forever.
Nah. Booming Voice is the go-to talent in that tier. You give up way too much by dropping the BV/AM combo. It wasn't in the same tier as Devastator last expansion so it was no contest at all.
 

xzi

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Don't forget that there are 4 difficulties of raid in Legion and even the casual dummies will be able to solo Raid Finder likely fairly early on into BfA (well you would be able to if you could solo queue with legacy loot mode hahaha!). But soloing aside you are still at the mercy of forced personal loot even if you try to duo, or trio or something similar. You might not get any loot at all. And none of that matters anyway because why the fuck is it a problem if I can solo a Legion raid? Like how fucking stupid is it that I am worse off soloing it than I am trying to get a full raid for 2-3 year old content? Why is legacy loot mode being 11 or more levels necessary and why was it even on anyone's radar at Blizzard? It's ridiculous.

Dude, people don't even know that Krosus still breaks the bridge in LFR 2 years later. People are straight up retarded.

I agree though being 11 or more is stupid and I don't understand the actual real reasoning behind it. It probably affects current content in some weird way so they just said fuck it. Technically BFA starts at 110 not 111.
 
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LiquidDeath

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I'm a big fan of them slowing down rotations. Being GCD locked in your rotation and always mashing buttons really fucked with any attempts to provide utility beyond your spec, especially in dungeons.
 

Noodleface

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The ranged/melee DPS and healer ratings seem to be pretty consistent between anyone rating them.

But god damn if the tank ratings aren't ALL over the place. Paladin is consistently getting mid tier but I've seen monk and druid at both the top and bottom of the list along with the same for DK and Warrior. Demon Hunter is also either mid tier by most peoples' reckoning.
There's a distinction though - M+ or raids.

For raid tanking, Monks will always (unless destroyed via class fantasies and tablets) be the best physical damage mitigation in the game. Not because they take less damage, but because it is the smoothest and least spiky. We did some real silly shit, especially around the NH raid tier and still do silly shit now. I have to force myself to die on Argus, for instance, or else we get fucked as a raid. This will just propagate into BfA because our kit is extremely strong.

Similar to Monks, Bears will always be near the top for similar reasons. They have massive HP pools, decent cooldowns, decent (albeit nerfed) raid utility, and in general are one of the safest tanks to play.

The other 4 tanks are where the real questions are. I think if you're talking M+ you'd be hard-pressed to find a tank better than VDH. DK is probably right there with them. Prot pally has always been mid-low tier, and it doesn't look like it's really going to change. Prot Warriors it really depends. They got dumpstered pretty hard early Legion and never really recovered. Monk's only real claim to fame for M+ was we could kite really well.

All that said, I think the actual balance between the 6 tanks is closer than ever. Another thing to keep in mind is the person reviewing them - someone like Sco plays Warrior and Druid pretty exclusively, so he's hyper critical and knowledgable of those classes. He plays the other classes a lot less and may not be an ideal player on those.
 

Morrow

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Don't forget that there are 4 difficulties of raid in Legion and even the casual dummies will be able to solo Raid Finder likely fairly early on into BfA (well you would be able to if you could solo queue with legacy loot mode hahaha!). But soloing aside you are still at the mercy of forced personal loot even if you try to duo, or trio or something similar. You might not get any loot at all. And none of that matters anyway because why the fuck is it a problem if I can solo a Legion raid? Like how fucking stupid is it that I am worse off soloing it than I am trying to get a full raid for 2-3 year old content? Why is legacy loot mode being 11 or more levels necessary and why was it even on anyone's radar at Blizzard? It's ridiculous.

Yeah the idea that you can solo something, but not rightfully earn your loot for it is ridiculous.

Wait a minute, how does Obliteterum work atm? So many bugged things like Belt Buckles and +9 stat boot enchants that I can't possibly know how it works right now. It still says it increases ilvl by 5, so do you need far less obliterum to max a crafted item right now? or has it been hotfixed, but the obliterum still displays as adding 5 ilvl? Because the belt buckles still display as working up to 600, but do not work, so does Obliterum display as +5, but actually give 3?
 
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Khane

Got something right about marriage
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Ever find 20 bucks in the pocket of an old coat? I was clearing out bags this morning on some of my chars and I had the reins of the astral cloud serpent on one of them...
 
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Lenardo

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I tried bagon and hated it.
i have been using arkinventory for years and got my wife & 17yr old son hooked on "my" bag setup (i exported my ruleset to their computers).

i have rules for Every armor slot, & make virtual bags for every armor slot so it is all sorted by what armor slot, makes finding armor for specific armor slots Extremely Easy, for pots, food, mats etc i just use the bag setup sorting rules that are default.
so when i open my bags, i have about 25 or 35 bags open. my wife initially was wtf is this, now she cannot live without it.
 

kaid

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Useless Q&A as per usual. Nothing about Server Mergers, nothing about Group Finder fuckery.
They talked about the group finder stuff last QA I think. Basically they removed a lot of the WQ group finder stuff because it was fucking with their sharding balance and was causing real impacts on their infrastructure. I think if they can find a good way to fix that problem they will open that stuff back up again but that is not going to get touched until after the initial expansion launch shit dies down.
 

BoozeCube

The Wokest
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Oh... and you certainly would never just make a small 5 person or so group to go farm the t-mog stuff in older expansions. Of course not...

Thanks forced personal loot! Now there's a good chance even if you take a 5 person group into a Legion raid in BfA you'll get exactly jack and shit. Hope you guys got your Taeschalach or Argus Scythes while it was still current!

Like I said he needs a dose of dick cancer.
 
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Fyff

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The 11 levels thing is because they want more current transmogs to be special. They want you to work for it and show it as a badge of honor.