World of Warcraft: Current Year

Vulg

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Dumar_sl said:
It doesn't matter what 'mode' it is: I beat Garrosh as Garrosh is put in the game. The respectability & consistency of the world is on Blizzard to develop it appropriately. I don't respect the difficulty of Garrosh because he's a joke, so there's nothing more 'to see'. Is there a mechanic that I haven't been exposed to? Yes, but nobody cares. You don't go through the game to see mechanics. The fact of the matter is there's nothing more for me to see. If I work harder I can experience the same content again but harder, which there's no reason to do.
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Raiding is about the journey at least as much as it is about the destination. The gear you get along the way is a means to an end and the final cinematic just the cherry on top.

You can cover your ears and scream and pretend that dropping in at the end of an expansion to "check out the content" somehow equates to the progression experience that many others enjoy for weeks and months, but I'm sure even you understand the self delusion on some level.

FOH used to be the last place that the reasons for raiding needed to be spelled out - the camaraderie and satisfaction a guild gets from iterating on a challenge until everything clicks. Is it ego? Does it offend you that every little timmy gets to see the same pixels regardless of difficulty level? I mean, who gives a fuck? The pieces that linger in Vent/Mumble and on forums for months (in some cases years) after were about the journey, all the crazy shit that happened along the way until end-of-tier nerdscreams were had.

If the existence of LFR cheapens that for you, that's more a reflection of you than the game.
 
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Vulg_sl said:
Raiding is about the journey at least as much as it is about the destination. The gear you get along the way is a means to an end and the final cinematic just the cherry on top.

You can cover your ears and scream and pretend that dropping in at the end of an expansion to "check out the content" somehow equates to the progression experience that many others enjoy for weeks and months, but I'm sure even you understand the self delusion on some level.

FOH used to be the last place that the reasons for raiding needed to be spelled out - the camaraderie and satisfaction a guild gets from iterating on a challenge until everything clicks. Is it ego? Does it offend you that every little timmy gets to see the same pixels regardless of difficulty level? I mean, who gives a fuck? The pieces that linger in Vent/Mumble and on forums for months (in some cases years) after were about the journey, all the crazy shit that happened along the way until end-of-tier nerdscreams were had.

If the existence of LFR cheapens that for you, that's more a reflection of you than the game.
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The only reason the journey was fun back then was because you got to run over the poor saps below your guild. Without that it wouldn't have been half as fun.
 
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I would agree that beating Garrosh using LFR is winning on super easy mode and is not truly beating the game, but for a filthy casual like myself I'll have to say "Good enough!" I get to see the boss, some of the cut scenes, and experience some of the fun of running through a dungeon with some people without any of the crap.

I don't have a single ounce of patience left to deal with guild drama, whiny raid leaders, uncaring idiots slowing down the raid, and countless wipes anymore to put up with Flex / Normal / Heroic raiding so this works perfectly for me. I did that crap in WotLK and never want to see it again. And you're telling me if I just put up with some faction grinding, token collection, and some other tricky solo kills I too can have a legendary cloak?!? Sign me up!!

If anyone complains that WoW has gotten "easier" lately, you can thank me. I'm their target demographic.
 
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They're like those brain teasers where one person always tells the truth and one always lies, and you can't tell them apart. They are either obvious trolls or phenomenally retarded, you can't really tell the difference.

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Hrm, anyone doing Garrosh in Flex/Normal? I just want to start getting a few heirlooms.
 
Daidraco

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Ao-_sl said:
Hrm, anyone doing Garrosh in Flex/Normal? I just want to start getting a few heirlooms.
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Which is all Im looking for lately, too. Its like pulling teeth with the group I run with to have everyone do what they are suppose to do on Garrosh. Its a wet dream to get in a PuG and have it succeed. Outside of Warforged Gear, the only reason for me to do SoO is on Heroic right now and that pool of Players is even smaller.
 
bixxby

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Do challenge modes before they retire for the season in 6.0. They're really fun. LFR isn't really fun.
 
Kreugen

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I like to pretend to respond seriously when I know that he's just being an obstinate idiot on purpose.
 
Needless

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There hasn't been any form of a release period yet has there?
I haven't been paying attention to warlords since it was first announced lol

Or at the very least an idea of when the item squish/pre-expac patch is gonna hit? I don't want to bother resubbing until then
 
Kreugen

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Dunno but it looks like we'll have the longest gap between the last content patch and expansion in WoW's history. Dragon Soul was what, 10-11 months before MOP?
 
Crone

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Black Sun Wizard_sl said:
I would agree that beating Garrosh using LFR is winning on super easy mode and is not truly beating the game, but for a filthy casual like myself I'll have to say "Good enough!" I get to see the boss, some of the cut scenes, and experience some of the fun of running through a dungeon with some people without any of the crap.

I don't have a single ounce of patience left to deal with guild drama, whiny raid leaders, uncaring idiots slowing down the raid, and countless wipes anymore to put up with Flex / Normal / Heroic raiding so this works perfectly for me. I did that crap in WotLK and never want to see it again. And you're telling me if I just put up with some faction grinding, token collection, and some other tricky solo kills I too can have a legendary cloak?!? Sign me up!!

If anyone complains that WoW has gotten "easier" lately, you can thank me. I'm their target demographic.
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Pretty much this.

I have no delusions that LFR raids are far from the "real" thing, but I find it odd that while I can understand that, others seem completely incapable of understanding how more difficult fights does not mean experiencing more?

Just because a fights harder, doesn't mean I've seen less of the game lore or content? I suppose technically I have, since I've not seen fight mechanics you have, and that's certainly part of the game.

But does Garrosh, or any other boss say something different on LFR versus other modes? Are any of the cut scenes different?

If not, then LFR is perfect for exactly what I wanted to do. See the raid, see the cutscenes, and move on. Now having scene that, and gotten a few gear upgrades, my want for better gear, and to beat out others in HPS or DPS, is what's driving me now, but originally LFR was perfect for what I wanted.

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Kais

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I like LFR to see the content, i like Flex for being able to experience the content with some degree of proper execution and difficulty. Last LFR Garrosh kill had 7 stacks of determination. Half the raid wasn't even trying, just standing in the same place hitting 123.
 
Gorehack

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Dev 1: So you guys remember how much people liked Mimiron hard mode?
Dev 2: *snicker*
Dev 3: ....go on.....
Dev 1: Well let's make a fight that's similar, but with twice as much shit and no single strat that works best!
Dev 2: Brilliant!
Dev 3: Get this motherfucker a promotion!

I love how "pick a strat and wipe 150-200 times" is an acceptable way to tune a fucking boss. Fuck you Blackfuse and the faggot dev that thought your retarded ass up.
 
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