World of Warcraft: Season of Discovery

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Kaines

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Sylas said:
yeah go fuck yourself those people were doing the lord's work keeping my fresh virginal server pure, free from bots and scammers and spam. They should be given medals or have statues erected in their honor.

I think I saw 1 fucking bot running around a cave hitting up mining nodes in my entire 6+ months on Maladath. Only reason I even knew about this shit was early on I asked in lfg about a pug or gdkp cus I missed my guild run that week and I got whispers from like 15+ different people warning me not to mention GDKPs and was given the low down. had never really paid attention before but I made it a point after that and yeah there was never ever mentions of GDKPs.
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Fuck off with your GDKP hate. You're inability to deal with other peopl's perfered play style is your own fucking problem. Get bent.
 
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Kaines

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What makes you think Sylas hates GDKPs?
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Because I can read the last two posts? He equates them with botters and gold buying. Nevermind that GDKP isn't against TOS like the other two are. However, abusing the reporting system by reporting people that aren't violating the ToS (by advertising GDKP raids) IS a violation of ToS just as much botting or gold buying. And should be punished with bans in the same way.
 
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But yeah, I agree with Kaines Kaines , people who abuse reporting should be banned. Not that I trust Blizzard to differentiate anything properly.
 
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yerm

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Fucking lol, Wrong.

First off, there are no servers without GDKPs so wtf are you even talking about? But yes, the pervasiveness of GDKPs on a server directly correlate to the amount of botting/scamming that occurs on a server, which you can compare directly against the volume of gold for sale on RMT sites. The price of gold on servers doesn't always correlate to the amount of botting due to supply/demand factors as well as ban waves, but the sheer volume of available RMT gold does directly correlate to the prevalence of GDKPs on individual servers.

The most recent evidence of this was the fresh start WOTLK servers. Maladath was one of the fresh start servers that was made up of mostly returning classic players who had quit or become jaded by GDKPs back in classic/tbc etc. There was an extremely vocal minority(or perhaps even majority) that despised the concept of GDKPs and would mass report anyone who even mentioned them in any public chat, trade, lfg, general, even say/yell.

This is how we learned that WoW classic used automated ban tools and have very few actually CS people because after a certain threshold these players would get temp bans within hours of mentioning GDKP in public channels and it would take days/week+ before you could appeal to a real person to get unbanned. Some even went the full 2 week ban and never got a reply to their appeals.

But nonetheless on this server if you ever mentioned GDKP you would get mass reported and banned so GDKPs were never advertised. They still happened, of course, communicated in whispers in game to like minded players to join their discord but it was a very small community and was never, ever advertised in game.

The amount of botting was almost nonexistent on Maladath but it did happen, but more importantly the volume of gold on RMT sites for maladath was far less than the volume of other fresh start servers (obviously fresh start servers all had less available gold than older servers).

Anyway some people claimed that one of the "Gate keepers" (anti-GDKP ppl) got somehow invited to one of the GDKP discords so had the names of ppl and started mass reporting them, idk if that's true but what did happen is many of the people who participated in GDKPs got banned, some of them permanent bans because they had been previously 2 week banned due to the false mass reporting just for mentioning GDKPs.

Turns out because there was so little botting activity/little GDKPs and so little volume of gold available, that when people went to buy gold from the RMTs the gold farmers were actually just using hacked accounts to meet the "demand" which was coming entirely from the GDKP community. When people logged in to find their accts had been hacked (many of them gold/boost buyers themselves) and reported it, CS would trace the gold and ban the buyers. Those who's accounts were flagged due to previous bans were permanently banned.

Server basically died after this and they opened up free transfers and everyone left. Then of course Blizzard added WoW Tokens to classic so they stopped giving a shit about it.
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So you had a setup where you abused an automated system in order to mass suspend anyone botting or suspected of rmting? That's the fairly obvious reason I'd think for a lack of market there. Gdkp is just a consequence of it.

It also exists in other games, eq being the one I'm most familiar with, and didn't seem correlated. Perhaps because hacking in eq is so much easier anyway. Wild growth horde doesn't seem to have the mass gdkp that say crusader strike does, but from what I can tell on a tiny glance at streamers vs super casual personal play, there are MORE bots per person here than there. Maybe they're selling the gold to the alliance? Dunno. But you had absolute shit tons just parading all over, barrens etc, with fairly low gdkp activity.

To make gdkp = bots, you need to prove that gdkp = more gold buying. If there wasn't gdkp, would those people just not buy gold? Or would they do their rmt anyway just through paying for carries or whatever?
 
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Big Phoenix said:
They better speed up the subsequent seasons.
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If they repeat the SoD style release, it'd be interesting if they:

  • Released with a level cap of 20 with a new raid at level 20
  • Increased cap to 25 a month later, with BFD accessible
  • Increased cap to 30 a month later, with a new raid
    • And a +5 level increase every month or so with a new raid.
  • Made mounts purchasable at level 25
And also, released a seperate class of sweaty servers where:
  • All mobs are elite. Even the starter wolves in Elywnn forest.
  • Decreased level requirement for all items and professions by 5 levels, so we could sweat it out at group content 5 levels higher than us
 
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Horde bots are all over Barrens between Camp Taurajo and the Crossroads. Horde bots are mostly hunters while Alliance bots tend to be mages.
 
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Sylas

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Kaines said:
Fuck off with your GDKP hate. You're inability to deal with other peopl's perfered play style is your own fucking problem. Get bent.
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The original question was did GDKPs contribute to botting/gold farming/RMT/etc?

Abso-fucking-lutely it does I don't know how retarded/delusional you need to be to think that it doesn't? it's literally 99% of the reason for RMT in WoW.

To reiterate, I wasn't part of any mass reporting, just stating that it happened and it was the only server i've seen that didn't have public GDKPs and it also wasn't infested with bots/spammers/etc of any kind.

Was mass reporting them against the ToS? Yeah probably, but with faggot blizzard nowadays pretty much speaking your opinion on any topic in general chat is against the ToS so you can be reported for literally anything. You can be reported for stating the sky is blue because some faggot tranny gets triggered by the color blue and they can report you.

However i've ran in plenty of GDKPs in my time, back in classic vanilla and in WOTLK, hell I still run in a weekly GDKP for ICC.

I would (and did) gladly take not having any GDKPs on a server since it meant not having shit tons of bots/spammers/scammers/boosts/etc. The fact that a bunch of GDKP Gold buyers ended up getting banned in the process because the sellers were hacking their accounts and selling them their own gold back was pure lols, Win fucking win.

to be fair idk how many people got banned just from the mass reporting. That's the excuse people gave when they ended up not logging in for 2 weeks. They always claim it was because of "trade chat GDKP". They're always too embarrassed to admit they were buying gold from indonesian gold farmers.

yerm said:
So you had a setup where you abused an automated system in order to mass suspend anyone botting or suspected of rmting? That's the fairly obvious reason I'd think for a lack of market there. Gdkp is just a consequence of it.
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No i didn't do shit. Just pointing out the lack of a RMT market was directly correlated to the lack of GDKP market.

Look, different versions of WoW have different economies, gold influx vs gold sinks etc, but for the most part there's basically no gold sinks that outpace intake from questing. Doesn't matter what version/phase of the game whether its 100g for lvl 40 mount or 5k gold for epic flying, the game's natural gold intake from questing to level to the point where you need that gold puts that in game purchase just within reach. Maybe you have to skip buying spells for a level or 2, maybe you don't get a mount til 41 and a few more quests, but there is absolutely no in game demand/reason for you to accumulate gold other than to buy loot. There aren't any natural in game gold demands which outpace gold generation. After about level 40 when rare BOEs are surpassed by even quest rewards, not to mention dungeon drops, there's pretty much nothing worth buying that justifies needing to have so much gold. GDKPs are the only reason why you would need to amass large quantities of gold.

Sure a handful of players play the game just to amass gold, that's the game for them, playing the AH -1 copper under cutting game, speculation on rares/mats/etc. They play the game for that so it's fine, but they aren't the ones buying gold.
 
Masakari

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I mean, Blizzard is trying to tune a bunch of new abilities & events thrown into the classic environment.

I can only imagine how many posts there would be complaining about tuning if they didn't do their due diligence and take their time in between these phases with all of the new content.
 
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Masakari said:
I mean, Blizzard is trying to tune a bunch of new abilities & events thrown into the classic environment.

I can only imagine how many posts there would be complaining about tuning if they didn't do their due diligence and take their time in between these phases with all of the new content.
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Pretty sure blizzard's strat for "tuning" in SoD is:
  • Yeet out OP abilities like Starsurge, Penance, Beast Mastery
  • Make the PvE content faceroll
  • Make the PvP content non-competitive by not having ranked BGs
  • Nerf when people whine too much
If they switched to increasing level cap by 5 every month, it'd be funny if they intentionally used non-scaling runes to make a few classes OP for a month and just rotated them.
 
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Masakari said:
Between leveling, PVPing, and questing for gold, I haven't seen a single bot outside of those who only chain run instances.

If you hate competing with other people in the open world, maybe MMOs aren't the game for you.
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Oh stop with that drama queen 'maybe MMOs arent for you' bullshit. PLENTY of MMOs have learned to let people work together, share resource nodes, mob tags, etc. Public events what have you. And I don't mind competing with other P E O P L E for the older online games. It's the automated bots that have me questioning my hobby's time commitments.

"I HAVENT SEEN ANY BOTS THEREFORE YOU ARE WRONG"



Juuust a few in this one:



Yup, no bots here! Sorry for being wrong yet again.
 
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Masakari

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RobXIII said:
Oh stop with that drama queen 'maybe MMOs arent for you' bullshit. PLENTY of MMOs have learned to let people work together, share resource nodes, mob tags, etc. Public events what have you. And I don't mind competing with other P E O P L E for the older online games. It's the automated bots that have me questioning my hobby's time commitments.

"I HAVENT SEEN ANY BOTS THEREFORE YOU ARE WRONG"



Juuust a few in this one:



Yup, no bots here! Sorry for being wrong yet again.
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I never said you didn't see any, I said I haven't seen any. How do you throw such a bitch fit from that?
 
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yerm

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The original question was did GDKPs contribute to botting/gold farming/RMT/etc?

Abso-fucking-lutely it does I don't know how retarded/delusional you need to be to think that it doesn't? it's literally 99% of the reason for RMT in WoW.

To reiterate, I wasn't part of any mass reporting, just stating that it happened and it was the only server i've seen that didn't have public GDKPs and it also wasn't infested with bots/spammers/etc of any kind.

Was mass reporting them against the ToS? Yeah probably, but with faggot blizzard nowadays pretty much speaking your opinion on any topic in general chat is against the ToS so you can be reported for literally anything. You can be reported for stating the sky is blue because some faggot tranny gets triggered by the color blue and they can report you.

However i've ran in plenty of GDKPs in my time, back in classic vanilla and in WOTLK, hell I still run in a weekly GDKP for ICC.

I would (and did) gladly take not having any GDKPs on a server since it meant not having shit tons of bots/spammers/scammers/boosts/etc. The fact that a bunch of GDKP Gold buyers ended up getting banned in the process because the sellers were hacking their accounts and selling them their own gold back was pure lols, Win fucking win.

to be fair idk how many people got banned just from the mass reporting. That's the excuse people gave when they ended up not logging in for 2 weeks. They always claim it was because of "trade chat GDKP". They're always too embarrassed to admit they were buying gold from indonesian gold farmers.


No i didn't do shit. Just pointing out the lack of a RMT market was directly correlated to the lack of GDKP market.

Look, different versions of WoW have different economies, gold influx vs gold sinks etc, but for the most part there's basically no gold sinks that outpace intake from questing. Doesn't matter what version/phase of the game whether its 100g for lvl 40 mount or 5k gold for epic flying, the game's natural gold intake from questing to level to the point where you need that gold puts that in game purchase just within reach. Maybe you have to skip buying spells for a level or 2, maybe you don't get a mount til 41 and a few more quests, but there is absolutely no in game demand/reason for you to accumulate gold other than to buy loot. There aren't any natural in game gold demands which outpace gold generation. After about level 40 when rare BOEs are surpassed by even quest rewards, not to mention dungeon drops, there's pretty much nothing worth buying that justifies needing to have so much gold. GDKPs are the only reason why you would need to amass large quantities of gold.

Sure a handful of players play the game just to amass gold, that's the game for them, playing the AH -1 copper under cutting game, speculation on rares/mats/etc. They play the game for that so it's fine, but they aren't the ones buying gold.
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So, uh, I guess there just wasn't really botting before gdkp, right?

You can't think of any reason to amass gold except gdkp, or any reason to rmt except for it, so you think it MUST be the cause? Am I wrong? Meanwhile, wow is filled with whales (and so are many games) that will pay for their shit one way or another. Also meanwhile, not everyone is an impulsive autist who NEEDS items that drop and will do anything to get it like buy gold if that's the system.

Bots exist wherever there is a 3rd party market for gold which results in a profit. Gdkp is not the exclusive source of desire for gold, even if you personally can't think past it.
 
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yerm said:
So, uh, I guess there just wasn't really botting before gdkp, right?

You can't think of any reason to amass gold except gdkp, or any reason to rmt except for it, so you think it MUST be the cause? Am I wrong? Meanwhile, wow is filled with whales (and so are many games) that will pay for their shit one way or another. Also meanwhile, not everyone is an impulsive autist who NEEDS items that drop and will do anything to get it like buy gold if that's the system.

Bots exist wherever there is a 3rd party market for gold which results in a profit. Gdkp is not the exclusive source of desire for gold, even if you personally can't think past it.
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Sir, I signed up for the Vanilla experience and I expect Yantis and IGE to keep the illicit gold trade under wraps!
 
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