12 Years A Slave

oh django referenced slavery only slightly now?

Django isn't a realistic movie. That's like referencing Police Academy when talking about crime movies. It is a big, bloody, gory revenge fantasy which deals with some slavery issues. Pretty well, actually.

But fucking Lincoln? No. And the other one was just you trolling and shit.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

oh django referenced slavery only slightly now?

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Did you enjoy Django? Did you enjoy Inglorious Basterds?

you know the answer to both those questions.

Uhh, no I don't. Have you forgotten about your reputation? I seriously have no idea whether or not you liked those movies.

All this arguing with Astrocreep about movies is a lot like watching Hodj and others argue with Lumie in other threads, except that the Lumie stuff is often hilarious.

i was massively flamed for not loving django. inglorious basterds was ok i guess, though i did love the performances from brad pitt and chris waltz. the last film from QT that i absolutely loved was kill bill 1. which is sad since i was a huge fan of tarentino's films

Maester Chuk_sl said:

italian gangsters have been done to death. but at least the italian mafia is still a somewhat relevant thing that happened in our lifetime. even though they have been diminished and gone underground. slavery , holocaust and christ's death, not so much.

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Slavery is not part of today's society anymore?

Are you really that ignorant?

im not talking about that white slavery ukranian shit or whatever they got goin on in other third worlds. this is regarding slavery in the US. i would not mind a modern slavery film as that story has not been overdone like american slavery has.

Except it hasn't been overdone, at all, and you can't even name movies about slavery without resorting to "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter."

Maester Chuk_sl said:

im not talking about that white slavery ukranian shit or whatever they got goin on in other third worlds. this is regarding slavery in the US. i would not mind a modern slavery film as that story has not been overdone like american slavery has.

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If by third world, you mean California?

SEX TRAFFICKING / San Francisco Is A Major Center For International Crime Networks That Smuggle And Enslave / FIRST OF A FOUR PART SPECIAL REPORT - SFGate

Or Arizona?

Teen Girls' Stories of Sex Trafficking in U.S. - ABC News

slavery is not legal anywhere here quinloe, though the government did make some park rangers work for nothing for a few weeks.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

slavery is not legal anywhere here quinloe, though the government did make some park rangers work for nothing for a few weeks.

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so your point is that because it's not legal it doesn't exist?

Slavery isn't legal anywhere, yet it still exists and it's gotten actually worse for those who are enslaved.

but then again, you think ALVH was a movie about slavery, so I'm getting this vibe you don't actually know what that word means.

it was a movie set during slavery and had scenes of slavery in it. so yes its a subject that was dealt with in that film though not in depth because it was a vampire film.
and again, i would not mind a modern slavery film. you should go make one. go now!

We had slavery down here in Florida recently with illegal immigrants being detained permanently by private farmers and forced to work on tomato farms and the such without pay. They got busted though.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

it was a movie set during slavery and had scenes of slavery in it. so yes its a subject that was dealt with in that film though not in depth because it was a vampire film.
and again, i would not mind a modern slavery film. you should go make one. go now!

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If I tried, it would just become porn. Not the type you'd like to watch.

I'm a slave to pussy.










Hah! just jokes I dominate that shit. Gator's bitches.

Quineloe_sl said:

If I tried, it would just become porn. Not the type you'd like to watch.

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as long as it wasnt poop porn id give it a looksee

I'm very excited about this film. A good On Point show on this was aired recently:Slavery In American Film | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

People like Maester Chuk represent contemporary white racism, no doubt. But in his defense, I am really sick of the Steven Spielgberg style slave film, which gets talked about in the show I linked above. I think Maester's error is that his contempt is based on confusing black history (American history, really) with bad, cliche story telling. He should be bitching about Hollywood, but instead channels his meanness as a human being towards black people.

That said, I get the sense that this film is not at all that typical shit Hollywood has been feeding America about slavery. This film was made by a Brit, and he said his focus was to portray just how fucked up slavery really was and is. This might actually be a horror movie. Imagine being kidnapped, treated like dog shit, worked nonstop, given little food, all while constantly being physically and emotionally mutilated--you never get to take a shower, and your mother and sisters are constantly raped in front of you, and then you die. That is some seriously fucked up shit, and it was the economic system of our countryafterthe founding fathers wrote our Constitution and the Bill of Rights to free us from a different kind of slavery--the tyranny of a monarch. To really understand just how fucked up this was, you have to read or see what daily interaction was like between the masters and the slaves. As an American this should be of central interest to you, because a rejection of the master-slave relationship was at the heart of our revolution. How can you explain the contradiction between hating the King and his tyranny, while creating thousands of them on plantations? No wonder slavery almost tore this country apart.

If you don't like black people, just imagine that all the slaves were white--if that doesn't help, you might not be racist and are actually just a sociopath. I don't even view this film racially--yes skin color was the measurement used in the system, but slavery has always been about the right to live free being stolen from you (which as an American I believe is inalienable and God-given), and the terror of the absolute power of a tyrant over their subjects. Do you really need to be black to understand that? American chattel slavery was the stuff of nightmares.

i think you think i channel my hatred toward black people, and you ignore that i also dont like films about bad things happening to christians or jews. dunno if its a spielberg thing, i still have not seen schindler's list or amistad so i dunno what kind of films they are. im just sick of seeing these types of films or reference released every year. its like "see guys, slavery/the holocaust/the crucifixion was bad, dont forget what happened to black/jewish/christian people" feel guilty for it!

fuck that shit, you feel guilty for it, dont push your guilt onto me. if you want to keep making world war 2 movies, why not make one about The Dresden Bombing? why not make a post civil war movie (non KKK)that showed the destruction of the south by the north? is there only one way to tell these stories? at least clint eastwood made ww2 movies with 2 different POVs.