1923

BrutulTM · Mar 12, 2025

Cad said:
I'm not listening to an hour+ podcast, if you have points to make, make them.

If you're that determined to stay ignorant, there's nothing I'm going to say to change your mind. It's a personal story from a man who was in a residential school in Canada.

zzeris said:
If he is, he's the best I've ever seen. His stances in the Covid thread are legendarily bad over an entire year plus. He stuck with it like a pit bull for that entire time with fairly frequent posting. He's added to his legend, but nothing tops that period. This is the mild 'I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about' Brutal, but he could be The Master. He'd be better than Keyser Soze though.

All I ever said in the Covid thread is the same thing I'm saying here. Don't be so certain. Of course the story we're all being told is being twisted to promote various motivations and narratives. That didn't start with Covid but Covid was a very good example of it. The part that disturbs me is that I see a lot of people here whose reaction to finding out that they're being lied to is to use that as license to believe whatever the fuck they want to believe based on nothing but their own prejudices and resentments. It's lazy and ignorant. Trying to argue against that is a complete waste of time and gets me painted as some kind of liberal stereotype by the dumber members of the board who can't imagine anyone not being black and white on everything, but for some reason I keep doing it anyway.

Big Phoenix said:
Imagine thinking trying to uplift people who didnt even discover written language was a bad thing.

I bet you would love being "uplifted" in such a way.

Khane · Mar 12, 2025

FoH seems to have a high concentration of historians and academics. It's like a camp... of insufferable nerds.

Cad · Mar 12, 2025

BrutulTM said:
If you're that determined to stay ignorant, there's nothing I'm going to say to change your mind. It's a personal story from a man who was in a residential school in Canada.

How does such a story change anything I’ve said? I never said individual bad experiences didn’t happen. I said choosing to portray individual bad experiences as representative of the whole experience is misleading and stupid.

When in 2025 a show portrays all the white people as evil monsters (particularly the immigration guys!) and all the minorities, women, and foreigners as somehow noble, you know whats going on.

Showing me an individual story of bad things happening (and neverminding that testimony is the least accurate form of evidence there is) changes nothing. You didn’t address the points at all.

BrutulTM · Mar 12, 2025

Dude. The main characters of the show are white and they are good people.

If you listened to the story you would realize it wasn't just a few bad apples when it came to the residential schools.

Cad · Mar 12, 2025

BrutulTM said:
Dude. The main characters of the show are white and they are good people.

If you listened to the story you would realize it wasn't just a few bad apples when it came to the residential schools.

Well its good we’ve got you and Taylor Sheridan to educate us on how bad we are and how we only rose to power through abusing others.

I can’t wait to be educated further.

BrutulTM · Mar 12, 2025

Cad said:
Well its good we’ve got you and Taylor Sheridan to educate us on how bad we are and how we only rose to power through abusing others.

I can’t wait to be educated further.

Downhammer · Mar 12, 2025

Taylor may have a soft spot for indians but I think his overall politics is more about how government is corrupt and bad. Yellowstone was all about taxes, zoning, eminent domain and all the other ways people abuse government to fuck their neighbors. Landman openly mocks the government push for "clean" energy and YS has some pretty good anti-vegan and anti-organics takes. The indian dad in 1923 is pretty based with his talk about how government handouts enslave people and make them too dependent to resist.

If you're going to get butt hurt because a couple immigration officials were exaggerated when processing a lying pregnant woman are you also going to bitch about all wop's being rapists and mafioso because that's how they're portrayed in the show too? Shows have always created excessive hardship for their protagonists and for the 1923 setting it would be stupid and un-entertaining if indians and minorities, at their nadir during that era, were the bad guys.

Cybsled · Mar 12, 2025

Srathor said:
All the documents were written by the winners, not who was right.
People are assholes.
The End.

What’s the quote? History is a set of lies that is agreed upon

Not to say history is 100% fake, but there are definitely omissions or biases or adjustments to benefit those in power/those who “won”. This gets magnified when secondary or contemporary sources are limited, which happens over time. Even going back 100 years, think about all the contextual information that is missing

Ancient Roman history definitely has a skewed view because most of the primary sources “won” or are taken out of context. Like Caligula saying he wanted to make his horse the head of the senate - he probably didn’t mean that literally, he was more likely trolling the fuck out of the senate because they all wanted that position and he hated the senate.

BrutulTM · Mar 12, 2025

It's especially true when one side didn't have a written language to record their side of the story.

Bald Brah · Mar 12, 2025

BrutulTM said:
It's especially true when one side didn't have a written language to record their side of the story.

Plenty of observations on how violent and evil they were. "Civilized" tribes. Mexican settlers, fur traders, mountain men. Civilian settlers in Canada, Mexico, and America.

You don't just have to take the word of the US Cavalry who had to put in the most work to get rid of them.

Palum · Mar 12, 2025

BrutulTM said:
It's especially true when one side didn't have a written language to record their side of the story.

Cad · Mar 12, 2025

BrutulTM said:
It's especially true when one side didn't have a written language to record their side of the story.

It's a good thing the indians have totally turned it around since they've been exposed to modern society, language, and culture, and have really stepped it up and shown how they were mistreated by succeeding in society and making something of themselves.

That way we don't have to take anybody's word for it, we can see what productive helpful citizens they are, helping their fellow man, uplifting each other, and generally getting shit done.

Yea, that history. So unlikely and slanted.

Big Phoenix · Mar 12, 2025

Bald Brah said:
Plenty of observations on how violent and evil they were. "Civilized" tribes. Mexican settlers, fur traders, mountain men. Civilian settlers in Canada, Mexico, and America.

You don't just have to take the word of the US Cavalry who had to put in the most work to get rid of them.

Reminds me of a hilarious bit of woke retardation in history the last few years.

When the Spanish where first exploring Mexico some wrote about a large tower made out of human skulls. Of course the Spanish didn't have nice things to say about discovering the unimaginable amounts of human sacrifice the Aztecs where partaking in.

Flash forward to modern woke history and retarded woke historians say what the Spanish wrote about back then is nothing more than outlandish racist ramblings meant to disparage the poor indigenous people. No evidence of anything the Spanish wrote, just pure colonial xenophobia.

Until during an excavation in Mexico a tower of skulls exactly as described by the Spanish was discovered;

Aztec tower of skulls turns out to be no myth

Described in the 16th century by Spanish soldiers, the temple of Huitzilopochtli has come to light.

arstechnica.com

BrutulTM · Mar 12, 2025

Bald Brah said:
Plenty of observations on how violent and evil they were. "Civilized" tribes. Mexican settlers, fur traders, mountain men. Civilian settlers in Canada, Mexico, and America.

You don't just have to take the word of the US Cavalry who had to put in the most work to get rid of them.

No shit. I said like 6 posts ago that some of them were "psychopathically brutal". Just not in 1923.

Cad said:
It's a good thing the indians have totally turned it around since they've been exposed to modern society, language, and culture, and have really stepped it up and shown how they were mistreated by succeeding in society and making something of themselves.

That way we don't have to take anybody's word for it, we can see what productive helpful citizens they are, helping their fellow man, uplifting each other, and generally getting shit done.

Yea, that history. So unlikely and slanted.

So your opinion is based on a belief that they are genetically inferior?

Cad · Mar 12, 2025

BrutulTM said:
So your opinion is based on a belief that they are genetically inferior?

BrutulTM · Mar 12, 2025

Cad said:

I'm trying to understand the source of your opinion. It sounds like you were suggesting that the fact that Indians aren't doing well now is some sort of proof that mistreatment of them 100 years ago was rare and it was mostly their own fault. I'm trying to follow that logic.

Cad · Mar 12, 2025

BrutulTM said:
I'm trying to understand the source of your opinion. It sounds like you were suggesting that the fact that Indians aren't doing well now is some sort of proof that mistreatment of them 100 years ago was rare and it was mostly their own fault. I'm trying to follow that logic.

Don't stress yourself out there about it, you've proven there's no point in talking to you. Carry on with whatever shitty opinions you have.

BrutulTM · Mar 12, 2025

Cad said:
Don't stress yourself out there about it, you've proven there's no point in talking to you. Carry on with whatever shitty opinions you have.

So there is no logic. Gotcha.

Bald Brah · Mar 12, 2025

BrutulTM said:
I'm trying to understand the source of your opinion. It sounds like you were suggesting that the fact that Indians aren't doing well now is some sort of proof that mistreatment of them 100 years ago was rare and it was mostly their own fault. I'm trying to follow that logic.

Mistreated? They lost a war. They lost many wars. Were the Romans mistreated when the German and French barbarians over-ran Rome and slaughtered the entire population?

That's what happens when you're on the losing side in a war. Some mistreatment comes due.

BrutulTM · Mar 12, 2025

Bald Brah said:
Mistreated? They lost a war. They lost many wars. Were the Romans mistreated when the German and French barbarians over-ran Rome and slaughtered the entire population?

That's what happens when you're on the losing side in a war. Some mistreatment comes due.

Fine but we're arguing about whether it happened, not whether it was justified.

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