2012 NFL Season

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moontayle

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This is what, the second time in the past few years that Atlanta is the #1 seed? Wonder who they'll lose to in their first game this time.

Good for Magatron, and good for the Detroit crowd for sticking it out. He's been the sole bright spot on that team for years.
 

Wombat

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I'd like to hear an argument that Calvin Johnson isn't the best wide out of all time. Just for fun.
Did you just start watching football in the last decade or so? The rules Rice, etc. played under were far more weighted towards the defense than the current rules.

And it's not that the curse is broken - it's that Megatron is so powerful he can deflect the curse to his teammates!

(All silliness aside, I put the Lions and the Raiders in the same basket - no rookie salary scale victims. Both teams had way too much of their money tied in up first round picks, so the rest of their roster was crap. The Raiders picked poorly, so they are bad the whole game through, while the Lions mostly picked well, and start games well - and then fall apart in the second half when the substitutions kick in. The Raiders seem enough in the hole that we will get another year of Carson Palmer garbage time numbers shenanigans, but I haven't looked into the Lions contract situation to know whether they can return to wildcard candidacy (if the Vikings get a real QB, well, that won't help).)
 

Cathan

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This is what, the second time in the past few years that Atlanta is the #1 seed? Wonder who they'll lose to in their first game this time.

Good for Magatron, and good for the Detroit crowd for sticking it out. He's been the sole bright spot on that team for years.
Not to argue with another Cowboys fan but Detroit has a few decent players. I'm not fan of Suh but I think anyone would have been happy to have him on draft day and the first year. Stafford is better than 80% of the starting QB's in the league. Chris Fairley? the other DT they drafted was supposed to be good too. Hell just making the playoffs last year was huge for Detroit.
 

Xeldar

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The great thing about having a Dad born when Detroit started losing (ie the last 50 some odd years) is he feels bad for Sanders, Johnson and Stafford for being drafted by a team permanently mired in its own shit.
 
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Curse retardism aside; I'd like to hear an argument that Calvin Johnson isn't the best wide out of all time. Just for fun.
It'll be fun with Johnson is finished playing. Although he plays in a time in the league's history where quarterbacks and wide receivers are basically granted restraining orders from defensive players, he's also not playing with Joe Montana and Steve Young.

Maybe Rice will always be a reach, but there's definitely Randy Moss and guys like that out there to surpass.
 

Foggy

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So Cathan, you think Stafford is a top 6 Qb in the NFL? Never go full retard.

Speaking of full retard, Calvin Johnson as the best WR ever? Go away.
 

Famm

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He's the best WR right now, probably belongs in a top ten conversation at the very least if not top five. Rice is the all time great still overall.

And yeah Cathan, better than 80% was pretty stupid.
 

Convo

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Ugh.. Espn has MVP and Matt Ryan together... Wtf?! Getting tired of them...

Calvin Johnson is pretty amazing but let's not get ahead of ourselves... Hell at this point I could make the argument that AJ Green will be better than Calvin if you compare their first 2 years...
 

Djay

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Calvin Johnson breaking Rice's record in this pass-happy league doesn't mean he's better than Rice, but he will be in the conversation. I don't see him giving up for seasons at a time like Moss did and, barring an injury, he'll continue to be the best WR in the league for at least 5 more seasons, putting up huge numbers. He has a great chance of being the best receiver of the new generation and when it's all said and done, it would be like comparing George Mikan to Hakeem Olajuwon...the game now isn't the same game that Rice and Carter played.
 

BrutulTM

Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun.
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Johnson is great but come on.

Legacy

Jerry Rice is the NFL record holder in a number of statistics for receivers. His 1,549 career receptions are 445 receptions ahead of the second place record held by Tony Gonzalez. His 22,895 career receiving yards are 6,961 yards ahead of the second place spot held by his former 49ers teammate Terrell Owens. His 197 career touchdown receptions are 44 scores more than the second place record of 154 touchdown receptions by Randy Moss, and his 208 total touchdowns (197-rec, 10-rush, 1-pass) are 33 scores ahead of Emmitt Smith's second place total of 175. Furthermore, his 1,256 career points scored make him the highest-scoring non-kicker in NFL history. A career spanning two decades, Rice averaged 75.6 receiving yards per game that he played, fifth-highest in NFL history among wide receivers. Only Andre Johnson (79.7), Torry Holt (77.4), Marvin Harrison (76.7), and Larry Fitzgerald (76.0) have averaged more receiving yards per game over a career.

To illustrate the significance of his 22,895 receiving yards, if Rice had not gained any other yards on rush attempts or kick returns, his 22,895 receiving yards would still rank him second place on the NFL's list all-purpose yard leaders (category based on combination of rushing, receiving, kick/punt return yards, and interception/fumble return yards) (he has collected 23,540 all-purpose yards: 22,895 receiving, 645 rushing, and 6 from punt returns).

Another example of Rice's dominance is his performance against Deion Sanders, considered by many as one of the best coverage cornerbacks of all-time. From 1989 to 1996 Rice had good numbers against Sanders's teams. With Rice completing 60 receptions for 1,051 yards and 11 receiving touchdowns against Sanders's teams (this would project to approximately 96 receptions for 1682 yards and 18 touchdowns in 16 games). Rice's teams won six of the ten games. To Sanders's credit, Deion had 4 interceptions for 58 yards and 0 touchdowns in those ten games.And in those early years Sanders was not going one on one with Rice, he was lined up one one side of the field, so he was not always covering Rice. Rice played against Sanders's teams twelve times, but Sanders did not play in two of those games (once in 1992 and once in 1993).[16][17]

Rice is remembered for his work ethic and dedication to the game. In his 20 NFL seasons, Rice missed only 10 regular season games, 7 of them in the 1997 season, and the other 3 in the strike-shortened season of 1987. His 303 games are by far the most ever played by an NFL wide receiver, but are 72 games behind the NFL record for games played by any player. In addition to staying on the field, his work ethic showed in his dedication to conditioning and running precise routes, with coach Dennis Green calling him "the best route runner I've ever seen." One of the best known examples of his dedication and ethics may be "The Hill", a long and steep hill that is "two and a half miles up"; Rice would sprint across the hill literally every day to improve his abilities. "The Hill" has served as an inspiraton for many other players in 49ers organization, among them rookie wide receiver A.J. Jenkins, who has begun training with Rice on "The Hill". Also known as one of the best blockers at his position, there was no aspect of playing wide receiver at which Rice did not excel.
 

Cathan

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So Cathan, you think Stafford is a top 6 Qb in the NFL? Never go full retard.

Speaking of full retard, Calvin Johnson as the best WR ever? Go away.
/sigh I said better than 80% of the QB's in the league. 32*.8=25.6 so he's better than 26 is what I said I suppose...

Stafford's young. If I had to choose a QB to start a franchise with today he'd be in my top 6. He benefits from having Calvin Johnson, no doubt, but he also only really has the 1 receiver and that Detroit D has been pretty terrible so he's not getting help from them. I'd probably take Luck or Stafford. Brees suffers from some similar problems to what Stafford has this year. The defense isn't helping him out so they're trying to win games on their arm and that's making for a LOT more interceptions.

I don't know if Megatron's the best receiver ever but he has to be in the discussion among the top 5. If he continues the way he has the last 2 years he could certainly get there. Stafford is no Joe Montana or Steve Young but what if he was coached by Bill Walsh? The whole team would be better and Stafford would look a lot more like Montana/Young than what he does right now. Megatron already runs great routes, beats double coverage, he's bigger and faster than Jerry Rice, he broke Rice's record and even if it is under different rules we all acknowledge Megatron has more raw talent than #80, except for maybe hands. #80 could and did catch just about everything ever thrown his way.
 

ham

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Megatron targets last 5 weeks

17/21/13/17/16

Stafford pass attempts

56/50/45/46/61

maybe not 'easy' to put up big numbers with those many targets, but not as difficult as it may seem either. That team just throws the ball all the fucking time, falls behind, and throws it more and more. They're the most empty stats ever. Stafford may one day break Brees' yardage record on a 5 win team
 

Tea_sl

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The day of reckoning is upon us. Can the Bengals put together back to back winning seasons and back to back playoff appearances for the first time in over 30 years? Can they do it on the road in Pittsburgh against a mediocre Steelers team? Smart money is on no. We know for sure that Bengals gonna Bengal though.
 

Foggy

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/sigh I said better than 80% of the QB's in the league. 32*.8=25.6 so he's better than 26 is what I said I suppose...
Math is hard. If he was better than 80% that would mean he is in the top 20%. In other words, there are 25.6 worse starting Qbs, so he would have to be at least the 6.4th best Qb in the league, which he isn't even close to.
 
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The day of reckoning is upon us. Can the Bengals put together back to back winning seasons and back to back playoff appearances for the first time in over 30 years? Can they do it on the road in Pittsburgh against a mediocre Steelers team? Smart money is on no. We know for sure that Bengals gonna Bengal though.
hope the bungals pull it off. really don't want the Steelers coming to Foxborough for wild card weekend. The idea of getting beat up by, but probably ultimately winning against the Steelers doesn't make me feel confident about getting to and winning the SB
 

Tea_sl

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Yeah, I don't think the Pats are any less likely to lose to Steelers or Bengals nor do I believe they will fair better against either team in terms of body toll. Bengals are probably the most physical team in the division.
 

pablos

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First time I've ever noticed but Mooses' pinky finger is messed up big time he can't even grip the mic right