2013 NFL Season

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Gravel

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My implication was that the winner of the NFC Championship game will be the Superbowl winner.
I just don't see how you can make that kind of statement. Both offenses are fucking anemic. Yes, their defenses are both fucking awesome, but someone has to score some points. I don't know that either team will win the Super Bowl with their QB throwing for 100 yards.
 

opiate82

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Look around, there are 3 run first teams in the championship games.

*edit: And outside of the KC/Indy game, pretty much every victory so far in the playoffs have came via the ground game.
 

BrutulTM

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First off, great win for the 49ers. I was worried in the middle of the second quarter but after that touchdown drive before the half the 9ers dominated both sides of the ball. Kaep got them the lead and Gore drove the stake through their hearts and the defense pitched a shutout in the second half. Reading through the posts after the game was very enjoyable, especially all the haters getting excited on the two good Panthers drives.

I don't know why I ever put Daezuaaoufal on ignore, his tears are delicious.

Even as a 49er fan, I have to say that Kirun is the most annoying poster in this thread.

Finally, I want to make a pitch for watching the games VIA DVR. I didn't start doing this on purpose, but I always have shit to do so I almost always work on Sunday afternoon and record the game. You have to be careful to avoid spoilers, no listening to the radio or reading facebook on Sunday afternoon, but watching the game on DVR is a clearly better experience IMO. I read this thread and think "how do people post on a message board during the game, I am on the edge of my seat for the whole game?" and then I remember that normal people have to watch 90 minutes of commercials during a football game. I skip the commercials, halftime, reviews, etc. I even skip the kickoffs most of the time since nothing interesting happens on them 90% of the time. It takes me under 2 hours to watch the game usually with next to no downtime. Better experience than watching the game live IMO.
 

Kirun

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Both SEA and SF had a really easy schedule outside of each other. They're not the unstoppable juggernauts people want to believe
Easy schedule? They play in arguably the best division in the NFL, with games against the Saints, Panthers, and Colts. All playoff teams. Meanwhile, Denver got to play that powerhouse division of the NFC Least, while New England barely escaped the monsoon that is the AFC North.

Who the fuck else should they have played?
 

Jozu

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The problem for the Seakhawks is Russel Wilson has not looked good at all of late. Harvin got smacked around in that last game and has a concussion. Their secondary is banged up. Besides Marchawn Lynch they really havent got shit to be happy about offensively. Obviously if Lynch gets going things could get out of hand, but if Bowman, WIllis, Brooks and friends start making plays and get Russel Wilson out of rhythm it will come down to defense and I think the 49ers are the better team overall and defensively.

It's funny because almost all 49ers haters and all Seahawks fans point DIRECTLY to home field advantage as their teams biggest advantage. And it might very well be. But if the crowd and venue is your strong point , then lol, ill be confident in the Niners as a team and how they execute.

Also, the last 2(3?) SuperBowl winners have all won 2 or 3 playoff road games to get to the big dance. If the Niners beat Seattle, its looking good for them, and plus they have the 3rd times a charm "thing" going for them.
 

Pharazon

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and they can run the ball and rely on a short pass game to outscore either SF or SEA.
That's the thing about the Patriots this year. If they make it to the Super Bowl (which I wouldn't bet on), good luck relying on the run vs. the Seahawks or Niners. As a Niner fan, if we can somehow get past Seattle (which again I wouldn't bet on), I'd much rather face this year's Patriots than the Broncos. The lack of weapons for Brady to throw to makes them a lot less scary for the best run D's in the league, there's no way around it.
 

Pharazon

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I just don't see how you can make that kind of statement. Both offenses are fucking anemic.
And that's an ignorant statement by you. The Niners and Seahawks pretty much averaged the same number of PPG as the Saints and Packers this year. Yes, some of that is fueled by their defenses, but you also have to consider their conservative, grinding playcalling on offense. Conservative does not mean anemic. The only truly elite offense in the league this year was the Broncos, and outside of them you can't really say any offenses were a lot better than the the Niners or Seahawks.

I'm not a huge Kaepernick lover. I hate how overhyped he's been at times and don't feel overly confident with him in command. However, it'd be stupid to try to say that with all his weapons finally healthy and with the talent he has, that that offense isn't capable of putting up a lot of points on any given Sunday. They have two of the best possession receivers in the game, arguably the best big play tight end in the game, and one of the most beastly O-lines in the league. Frank Gore is just an afterthought. It's unfortunate the QB is the weak link, but it's stupid to try to say that offense is anemic. Dude hasn't even played 2 full seasons yet and he's already had some huge games on the biggest stages.
 

Uber Uberest

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That's the thing about the Patriots this year. If they make it to the Super Bowl (which I wouldn't bet on), good luck relying on the run vs. the Seahawks or Niners. As a Niner fan, if we can somehow get past Seattle (which again I wouldn't bet on), I'd much rather face this year's Patriots than the Broncos. The lack of weapons for Brady to throw to makes them a lot less scary for the best run D's in the league, there's no way around it.
I don't know which Saints/Seahawks game you watched, but the Seahawks run D looked terrible.
 

Ambiturner

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Easy schedule?They play in arguably the best division in the NFL, with games against the Saints, Panthers, and Colts. All playoff teams. Meanwhile, Denver got to play that powerhouse division of the NFC Least, while New England barely escaped the monsoon that is the AFC North.
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Who the fuck else should they have played?
All games the Niners lost?

Niners games against playoff teams: Colts (they lost), Saints (they lost), Panthers (they lost), Seahawks x2 (lost 1, won 1) and Packers who finished 8-7-1. Their other victories were against powerhouse Rams, Texans, Titans, Jags, Redskins, Bucs, Falcons, and Cardinals (Definitely the best out of that shit group). That's 2-4 against playoff teams and then picked on a bunch of dogshit teams.

Seahawks were better vs playoff teams: Panthers (won), Colts (lost), Saints (won), Niners (split) so 3-2. While picking on Jags, Texans, Titans, Rams x2, Falcons, Vikings, Giants, Cardinals (split), Bucs.
 

Gravel

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And that's an ignorant statement by you. The Niners and Seahawks pretty much averaged the same number of PPG as the Saints and Packers this year. Yes, some of that is fueled by their defenses, but you also have to consider their conservative, grinding playcalling on offense. Conservative does not mean anemic. The only truly elite offense in the league this year was the Broncos, and outside of them you can't really say any offenses were a lot better than the the Niners or Seahawks.

I'm not a huge Kaepernick lover. I hate how overhyped he's been at times and don't feel overly confident with him in command. However, it'd be stupid to try to say that with all his weapons finally healthy and with the talent he has, that that offense isn't capable of putting up a lot of points on any given Sunday. They have two of the best possession receivers in the game, arguably the best big play tight end in the game, and one of the most beastly O-lines in the league. Frank Gore is just an afterthought. It's unfortunate the QB is the weak link, but it's stupid to try to say that offense is anemic. Dude hasn't even played 2 full seasons yet and he's already had some huge games on the biggest stages.
Kaepernick had 10 games this year throwing for under 200 yards and an 11th at 203 (add a 12th if you include the playoffs). Niners were 24th in total offense this year and 11th in points (30th passing, 3rd rushing). That tells me that they were set up by their defense and ST's with awesome field position. But it also says the offense as a whole isn't great.

Wilson had 6 games under 200 yards, with another 4 just barely over (202, 210, 217, 206)...and add another for the playoffs just like Kaepernick. Seahawks were 17th in total offense, 8th in points (26th passing, 4th rushing).

Seriously, these two teams are almost identical. Great defense and special teams with a game manager at QB. I'll admit they both have good rushing attacks, but that's it. Completely one dimensional otherwise. The fucking nut hugging going on for Kaepernick is just insane around here.
 

BrutulTM

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I'm sick of people saying that shit. Who is hugging Kaepernick's nuts? I need quotes or STFU. This shit is in your imagination.
 

Merrith

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Calling them game managers is a little much I think though. Having great D and rushing attacks is going to take away from your passing numbers simply because why are you going to go away from your strength if you don't need to?

Plenty of guys can get hot for a couple games and air it out a ton, get some good calls/no calls, have D's drop picks and they look like a superstar for 3 or 4 playoff games. Good old Joe Flacco had only topped200 yardspassing in 2 of 9 career playoff starts before last year, and we all saw what he did for 4 games then.
 

Lenardo

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the thing with those 2 is,

they don't NEED to be great to win games, they just have to be GOOD. are they GOOD QB's? yes, yes they are, however, one of them is going to be going up against one of the 2 greatest QB's of the era (the other having lost this upcoming sunday)

and IF the Denver or NE offense succeeds - decently(24points or more)- vs either the SF or the SEA Defenses, then the QB and the offense for those teams HAVE to respond in kind. right now they have issues scoring, having issues vs either of the AFC team defenses= they lose-naturally. can they move the ball effectively vs Denver & NE? probably, can they- if NE or Denver can move the ball effectively vs them, MATCH the offenses, now that is the question. i don't think they can.

i got 3 outta 4 this last weekend

screwed up the denver game.

SF @Seattle= i am waffling back and forth- coin flip = Seattle.
NE@ Denver - NE to win (pats fan i cannot pick against my team) hopefully NE can do vs peyton and the denver offense, what they did sat night vs the colts.

superbowl NE vs Seattle. NE wins.
 

Ambiturner

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I'm sick of people saying that shit. Who is hugging Kaepernick's nuts? I need quotes or STFU. This shit is in your imagination.
Haven't seen too many here since early in the season. It went from Kaep is the next Steve Young to Kaep vs Smith, who's worse?

Most of the resentment is from all the announcers and ESPN fellating him every time the 9ers D carried him to a victory.
 

Kreugen

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8-0 with Crabtree in the game is not an accident either. After the absurd Green Bay opener Boldin looked like a coat rack with all the defenders he was lugging around.

And he's right. Strength of schedule wise, SF/Sea (top 10) shit all over Den/NE (bottom 10). But when you take into account the outcomes of those games, Denver actually winds up on top because of the quality beatings they gave out. Math says Den > Sea > SF > NE, but then you have to account for the matchups - and when you look at what Seattle does to teams with immobile quarterbacks and afterthought running games, it looks REAL bad for Denver and New England. SF is the only team remaining built to beat Seattle, and a lot of that has to do with Kaep's legs. Anyway, some serious rock-paper-scissors shit going on, and that's what makes football so great.

If Kaep ever learns how to lob the ball instead of laser-beaming everything he'll be more than good, I think. You'd think after those fuckawful fade pass failures in the Super Bowl they'd have tried to develop his touch passes. Lobbing up a turd for a giant receiver to jump up and grab is the winning formula across the NFL right now. (which Seattle excels at taking away, btw) By then he'll probably have accumulated enough injuries to mostly take away his legs though.
 

opiate82

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All games the Niners lost?

Niners games against playoff teams: Colts (they lost), Saints (they lost), Panthers (they lost), Seahawks x2 (lost 1, won 1) and Packers who finished 8-7-1.
New England also only had 2 wins against playoff teams and lost to powerhouses like Miami and the NY Jets.
 

opiate82

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and when you look at what Seattle does to teams with immobile quarterbacks and afterthought running games, it looks REAL bad for Denver and New England.
If you think New England has an "afterthought" running game, you haven't been paying attention to them this season. Where they will fall on their face in a potential Superbowl matchup is their near league-worst running defense.
 

Famm

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Not only did Denver play the NFC east, they played the AFC south. Basically the two worst divisions in football plus two games against the Raiders. I don't think anyone has a leg to stand on to deny SF/SEA had tougher schedules.
 

Kreugen

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If you think New England has an "afterthought" running game, you haven't been paying attention to them this season. Where they will fall on their face in a potential Superbowl matchup is their near league-worst running defense.
Ah well this is true, I don't pay attention to New England as a general rule. I do admit that at times in the Brady/Bellichick era they have been pretty much a perfect all-around football team, which is a hard thing to accomplish in the cap era. But I do my best to avoid ever watching them play.

Would you say their running game is only successful because it is set up by the passing game (See Denver vs SD) or are they just a well-balanced offense?