Siliconemelons
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Looks like the movie is finding its sea legs (ha..ha..) after all- the trailers before where just all mashy mashy wtf plot? bahh ohh action!...now this looks a little more peiced together.
300: Rise of an empire
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Conefed
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Of what I liked with 300 fighting scenes is that the extras weren't doing random things. If you look at the focal point, it's badass. If you watch the guy in the background to the left, badass. To the right, badass.
Semi plot that doesn't rustle with choreographed crisp slow motion. 'all.
Semi plot that doesn't rustle with choreographed crisp slow motion. 'all.
McCheese
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This! I know people complain about Snyder's over-use of slow motion in his movies, but honestly, I prefer that to the shaky cam bullshit that 90% of movies use nowadays. If I'm watching a movie I want to fuckingseewhat's happening, not get blinded by a dizzying, incomprehensible blur of motion and color in every action scene.
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Tuco
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I feel like I could grab any one of the hundreds of good non shaky, non-short clips thrown together and they'd be more enjoyable and more memorable than any shaky-short bullshit you can throw at me. Ex: The bourne clip here I don't even remember even though those movies are excellent, the fight scene is just a waste of screen time to me.
If they can make a legit fight scene with Hugo Weaving and Laurence Fishborne there's no reason to use shaky-short-shits with Matt Damon.
As for 300:2, I still feel like they took all the shit nobody cared about from 300 and made a movie about it. All I want from a 300 sequel is to see phalanx of spartan soldiers fighting Persian armies. The naval shit, the female lead trying to fill Leonaidas' sandals, Rodrigo Santoro goofing off and watching Greek cities getting sacked is very uncompelling.
McCheese
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That fight scene isn't the worst I've seen (as you mentioned, Batman begins is one of the biggest culprits), but it was still a chore to watch and I wouldn't consider it a "masterpiece". All the short shots and constant cutting back and forth make me feel like I'm watching a fight scene montage instead of a single, cohesive fight scene.
I'm sure there is all sorts of artistic bullshit behind doing scenes like that, but no normal person gives a fuck about it. They just want to see cool fighting.
Szlia
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My main beef is people saying "there is no choreography" or "we don't understand what's happening." The Bourne Ultimatum fight I linked is both brilliantly choreographed (with the constraints that it had to give a feeling of realism and danger - constraints that the hyper-referential Matrix fight and the athletic performance Protector fight do not have) and absolutely legible. The film making and editing make enhance the fight by making it more nervous, more visceral, more violent and less like a ballet between two willing partners. In a way, a fight like the one in The Matrix is a meta-narrative: you are not here to see a fictional fight, but here to see how clever and elegant the choreography is. In classic kung-fu movies, it is almost didactic: a kung-fu lesson for the spectators. For me, the two forms have their merits and both forms have their pitfalls (illegibility in the visceral approach, labored performances in the 'classic' approach).
Tuco
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Did you really feel like that fight had any sense of danger? It was just a matter of enduring a couple minutes of half second shots strung together until Bourne whipped some guys' ass. Yeah I get that it was a well choreographed scene and I can appreciate the elements in it but you're trumping it up more than what it is: A bunch of incoherent shots of a brawl that would probably look pretty goofy if the camera wasn't spazzing out and switching perspectives constantly.
It's just my opinion, I understand how someone could see a 2 minute fight scene that composes of 200 split second takes with Michael J Fox as the cameraman as exciting, to me it's still a waste of a fight.
Also I don't think I've ever seen someone use the world visceral when they weren't describing some bullshit.
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