300: Rise of an empire

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Gavinmad

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Tarrant_sl said:
I wonder how different the wolrd would be today had the Persians indeed defeated all of Greece and fully established their empire and rule there.
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Weren't you watching 300? We were saved from a future of mysticism and tyranny.
 
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Gavinrad_sl said:
Weren't you watching 300? We were saved from a future of mysticism and tyranny.
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Just think of it... Dhalsim would be the main character of the Street Fighter series... it would be turrble

(its just that in 300 xersies looked like Dhalsim, I know that Dhalsim was not...oh wtf who cares its just a lulz comment!)
 
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gunnar really got whipped badly in this thread.

Personally I think history would've ended up similarly, we westerners would just have more Persian in our blood.
 
Gavinmad

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Eh, Persia could not have held Greece for very long. They were a large, overstretched, unstable empire at that point. The only real question is if a temporary Persian occupation of mainland Greece would have any effect on the eventual rise of Macedonia, ~150 years later.
 
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Tuco_sl said:
gunnar really got whipped badly in this thread.

Personally I think history would've ended up similarly, we westerners would just have more Persian in our blood.
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I doubt it.

Battle of Salamis ensured that the Greek civilization continued to exist, which in turn helped give rise to the Roman Empire, both of which were the foundation of Western civilization. Democracy only began being practiced 20 years before Thermopylae, so its conceivable that it would have been snuffed out and not even developed until many centuries later.
 
Gavinmad

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Araysar_sl said:
I doubt it.

Battle of Salamis ensured that the Greek civilization continued to exist, which in turn helped give rise to the Roman Empire, both of which were the foundation of Western civilization.
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Do you have a point? The speculation was about if Persia won.
 
Gavinmad

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Araysar_sl said:
You really need the dots connected?
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For starters, you edited in that extra bit speculating about Democracy after I had already quoted you.

Second of all, the foundation stones for democracy were laid by Solon over a hundred years before the Persians attempted to invade Greece. Kleisthenes later refined on these to form the beginnings of true Athenian democracy, but the ideas were already there. It's extremely unlikely that Persia would have been able to occupy mainland Greece for any meaningful period of time, so it's doubtful that the idea of democracy would have been snuffed out even if it suffered a brief interruption. A brief Persian occupation most likely would not have prevented Ephialtes and Pericles from accomplishing what they did with Athens, which was what truly established the legacy of Athenian democracy.
 
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And yet most historians and academics consider the Battle of Salamis one of the most pivotal battles in human civilization because it preserved the foundation of Western civilization.

But yeah, you're right - it wouldnt have mattered if Persians invaded and occupied Greece. Things would have turned out exactly same anyways!
 
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The most unrealistic thing about these 300 movies is how hairless Xerxes is. Persians are hairy gorillas.
 
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McCheese_sl said:
The most unrealistic thing about these 300 movies is how hairless Xerxes is. Persians are hairy gorillas.
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Shows what you know. He was known for being the man that invented the full body waxing. It was a sign of extreme wealth and importance BECAUSE of how hairy most of them are.

Read a fuckin' book.
 
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Grimmlokk_sl said:
Shows what you know. He was known for being the man that invented the full body waxing. It was a sign of extreme wealth and importance BECAUSE of how hairy most of them are.

Read a fuckin' book.
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I'm still waiting for Gavinrad's essay. If he had posted it already I'd have known about this bit of knowledge.
 
Chris

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lol at all of the greatest battles in history being about keeping evil muslims or proto muslims out of europe so that civilisation could develop! I've never heard of any of them.
 
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Chris_sl said:
lol at all of the greatest battles in history being about keeping evil muslims or proto muslims out of europe so that civilisation could develop! I've never heard of any of them.
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You never heard of Tours, Vienna or Salamis?
 
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