Abortion

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chaos

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The Ancient_sl said:
The anti-abortion tide is this country has proven not to be about stopping women who don't want to give up partying, it's about ending all abortions including those one women who's life are threatened and those victimized by rape. You've attributed the sentiments felt by most pro-choice advocates to those of pro-life.

It's an understandable mistake though, considering the tone of this board. You have plenty of people here arguing that abortions are a great thing, which is probably how you ended up arguing this position in the first place. Outside in the real world, the goalposts (as we like to say) are much further shifted.
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According to a Gallup poll from 2011, 83% of people in the US supportabortionin cases where a woman's life is in danger and 75% in cases of rape or incest. I realize that you have the fringe who are pushing for banningabortionin all cases, but the people on a whole do not support that. I was referencing the people, not so much the public advocates we see like Akin who say stupid shit to appeal to the fringe.

At the end of the day all I am really arguing is thatabortionis NOT awesome. It is actually a pretty terrible and ugly thing. But access to it is of utmost importance to our society. This got off the tracks into moral relativism when some guy was arguing thatabortionitself was a moral act, which caused my head to explode.
 
chaos

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Just because something is based on opinion doesn't mean someone's opinion can't be wrong, just that they vary from person to person.
 
chaos

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Well what if my opinion is that your opinion can be wrong? HUH?

I think that arguing that an action like that is moral is kind of twisting what morals really are.
 
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chaos_sl said:
Well what if my opinion is that your opinion can be wrong? HUH?

I think that arguing that an action like that is moral is kind of twisting what morals really are.
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Opinions can be wrong if based on facts. The statement you made is true.

You may be assuming that everyone understandswhat you think morals really are.
 
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You can have a wrong opinion. Like not liking steak and bacon is a wrong opinion.
 
Kreugen

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Any baby that winds up in one of these should be given into the care of a pro-lifer chosen at random, along with the bill for its birth and pre-natal expenses. With this system the government will not have to pay a cent of our money for unwanted babies and no child will suffer being raised by a parent that does not want it or is unable to support it.

Children pooped out for the sole purpose of receiving government assistance will still plague us, but one thing at a time. Forced sterilization still has a few legal and moral issues holding it back, sadly.
 
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Well i think i some aspects theabortionis right as you are saying the pregnancy due to rape can ruin the life of baby.
i am not with the favor ofabortionbut when a girl get pregnant due to unexpected instance like rape, in this situation if she want her baby and take good care on him than it is good thing, but if she born a baby and after that ruin his/her life than theabortionis better.
 
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Kreugen_sl said:
Any baby that winds up in one of these should be given into the care of a pro-lifer chosen at random, along with the bill for its birth and pre-natal expenses. With this system the government will not have to pay a cent of our money for unwanted babies and no child will suffer being raised by a parent that does not want it or is unable to support it.

Children pooped out for the sole purpose of receiving government assistance will still plague us, but one thing at a time. Forced sterilization still has a few legal and moral issues holding it back, sadly.
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What is that thing? Some sort of baby donation system?

Forced sterilization has a few reality problems.
 
Kreugen

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Baby drop off box, it's a euro thing. Technically illegal, but beats finding them in dumpsters or left on a doorstep to freeze to death. In the US you're just supposed to like, hand them over to a Postman or something.

And yes the second bit was tongue-in-cheek because, well, off topic anyway. Unless.. forcedabortionfor the destitute! That's the ticket.

Also, pro-lifers should be out donating 90% of their take home pay to foster homes.
 
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They were discussing the baby boxes in Europe on NPR the other day, Germany more specifically I think. IIRC it was mentioned that in the 8? years they've had them, the number of babies found abandoned and/or dead hasn't really changed. Some people apparently use that as an argument about them being useless and making it too easy for people to ditch kids they otherwise wouldn't. That may be true, but I don't count that a bad thing. Anywho, was an interesting topic.
 
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They have those baby boxes here in Japan as well. Seem to get a lot of traffic and pop up in the news every now and then. Usually when someone drops off like some 10 year old or something.

Also from what I have seen abortions are just another form of birth control here and seem to be quite common. More than likely it's a religious / cultural hang up for everyone back home.
 
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