Abortion

Laedrun · Dec 21, 2012

Karloff_sl said:
There are plenty of kids to adopt, problem is most folks who adopt are white and they don't want older children or black kids. Asian kids are a status symbol and last I looked russian children are white.

Yeah, i just got my imported Italian sports-baby in yesterday. His dad was a marathon runner and his mom was a porn star that sucked 947 dicks. He's gonna be a superstar, all my friends are jealous.

Karloff_sl · Dec 21, 2012

tad10_sl said:
.Less than 3% of white unmarried women and less than 2% of Black unmarried women. (Mosher and Bachrach, 1996)
.Of Black women with premarital births,
From 1952 to 1972, 1.5% placed their children for adoption.

From 1973 to 1981, this percentage fell to .2%
From 1982 to 1988, it rose to 1.1%.

.Of White women with premarital births,
From 1952 to 1972, 19.3% placed their children for adoption.
From 1973 to 1981, this percentage fell to 7.6%.
From 1982 to 1988, it fell further to 3.2%. (Bachrach, Stolley, London, 1992)

Sociologists attempt to bullshit and say there is no relationship between abortion and drop in adoption.
And you wonder why I think the social sciences are where the moutbreathers of academia nest? Yes availability of contraception plays into it but note the very signifcant drop in the Black given to adoption rate rate. As you know Black

women and many minorities (such as Hispanics) abort at a much higher rate then white woman (availability of contraception thus the drop there is almost certainly due to unwanted kids getting aborted.

Still doesn't matter there are still plenty of children to be adopted problem again is a majority are over age 6 and the majority are either black or hispanic, which aren't what white people want to adopt. Don't try and twist what Putin is doing as anything to do with abortion.

tad10 · Dec 21, 2012

Karloff_sl said:
Still doesn't matter there are still plenty of children to be adopted problem again is a majority are over age 6 and the majority are either black or hispanic, which aren't what white people want to adopt. Don't try and twist what Putin is doing as anything to do with abortion.

Hahahaah
You've never tried to adopt have you?

Fun fact for you: Black Social Workers did everything in their power to prevent white families from adopting black children in the 1970 through the 1990s. And while they've recanted (supposedly) it is still very hard for a white family to adopt a black child in this country.

The National Association of Black Social Workers (NABSW) issued a statement against transracial adoption in 1972, excerpted below.

"Black children belong physically and psychologically and culturally in black families where they can receive the total sense of themselves and develop a sound projection of their future. Only a black family can transmit the emotional and sensitive subtleties of perceptions and reactions essential for a black child's survival in a racist society. Human beings are products of their environment and develop their sense of values, attitudes, and self-concept within their own family structures. Black children in white homes are cut off from the healthy development of themselves as black people."

This is one of the most flat out racist things you'll ever read - coming from deep-died black liberals. And you wonder why I despite liberals? Because of this statement thousands upon thousands of black children ended up in foster homes instead of being adopted into families that would have loved to have them.

So really fuck you, and fuck all social workers for going along with this bullshit.

Karloff_sl · Dec 21, 2012

tad10_sl said:
Hahahaah

So really fuck you, and fuck all social workers for going along with this bullshit.

Yes I have and I was also adopted as was my sister.

So go back to your intolerant bubble world you live in at least till the drones come to get you.

I probably know more than you'll ever know about adoption. Why don't you ask one of your gay black friends about adopting on of their kids.

GuardianX · Dec 21, 2012

Karloff_sl said:
Yes I have and I was also adopted as was my sister.

So go back to your intolerant bubble world you live in at least till the drones come to get you.

I probably know more than you'll ever know about adoption. Why don't you ask one of your gay black friends about adopting on of their kids.

intolerant? While I'm not going to take a bullet for tad, he didn't post any intolerant things. He posted how he thinks that black people fucked themselves for about 20 years and then posted excerpts from a social services statement.

From the sounds of it, he has provided more info in his last set of posts than you have about adoption other than "I r adopted".

*I know I'll be as insulting as possible, this is the internet, I got this!*

"W-why don'tcha go ask one of your BLACK GAY friends about adoption!"

Oh, I'm sorry I totally got lost in your intolerant bullshit...but wait...weren't you saying Tad was being intolerant? Fuck I so confused.

Karloff_sl · Dec 21, 2012

GuardianX_sl said:
intolerant? While I'm not going to take a bullet for tad, he didn't post any intolerant things. He posted how he thinks that black people fucked themselves for about 20 years and then posted excerpts from a social services statement.

From the sounds of it, he has provided more info in his last set of posts than you have about adoption other than "I r adopted".
*I know I'll be as insulting as possible, this is the internet, I got this!*

"W-why don'tcha go ask one of your BLACK GAY friends about adoption!"

Oh, I'm sorry I totally got lost in your intolerant bullshit...but wait...weren't you saying Tad was being intolerant? Fuck I so confused.

You obviously don't know Tad and his MO but sure what stats do you want.

You can start here and forgo the usual all liberals are evil bullshit Tad spews.

http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/index.php

GuardianX · Dec 21, 2012

Karloff_sl said:
You obviously don't know Tad and his MO but sure what stats do you want.

You can start here and forgo the usual all liberals are evil bullshit Tad spews.

http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/index.php

I think I understood him after reading his post here that I responded to...

GuardianX_sl said:
I've always wondered about this,but you sound pretty crazy so do you have any stats on this?

I mean your words were "gay black friends" in a snide manner. You would have used more graphical language if you felt you wouldn't be labeled as a racist (which you are, BTW*).

I get it, he rustled your jimmies and you decided to go all Xbox Live on his asshole.

OR, maybe you literally meant for him to ask a friend of his that may be black and gay in order to attain some perspective on the matter.

Was I wrong, were you literally asking him to attain gay African American perspective? Because if so, I'm sorry and was out of line.

* Using characteristic based language to pass a negative connotation illustrates that you believe being gay and black is a negative attribute and thus, you are a racist bigot.

Karloff_sl · Dec 21, 2012

Tad previously has mentioned that he has gay and black friends so he can't possibly be racist or intolerant of alternative lifestyles. So it was a dig at his so called worldliness.

If I insulted you in any manner I do apologize.

Caliane · Dec 21, 2012

Tuco_sl said:
I could call a toddler, you and myself 'just a collection of cells'. Since it's 100% true.

When I'm drunk out of my mind am I not a person?

how drunk we talking?

But really, same as brain dead. Terry Schrivo was dead. Let her body die.
Before the brain is formed, its just a body, and not even that yet.

Caliane · Dec 21, 2012

tad10_sl said:
Of course we are buddy. The USA has the most liberal abortion laws in the world. Under Roe v. Wade, which is still the law of the land, it is legal to abort a baby up until the moment of actual birth.

That's what you're $10 donation to Planned Parenthood has gotten you: an ethical nightmare.

This isn't fucking college where you're trying to sleep with the easy co-eds by going all liberal plushy on them.

Just today Putin enacted a law to halt US adoptions. Why the fuck are Americans trying to adopt Russian/Chinese/Romanian Babes? Because the normal adoptive supply which came from accidents ceased back in 1972 due to Roe.

Just one of many fun results of that decision, and if you're talking abortion than you're talking consequences as well.

Its determined by state.

Gecko_sl · Dec 21, 2012

Karloff_sl said:
There are plenty of kids to adopt, problem is most folks who adopt are white and they don't want older children or black kids. Asian kids are a status symbol and last I looked russian children are white.

You are lumping foster kids from broken homes together with babies. Pretty much any *baby* will be adopted, even special needs ones. The problem is people are, rightly in my mind, a bit wary about kids from broken homes with a lot of baggage. There still are tons of families who take care of these foster kids, so that argument likewise does not hold much water.

I am curious why we have pretty much zero limits on second and third trimester abortions.

Marple_sl · Dec 21, 2012

Well...

VariaVespasa_sl · Dec 21, 2012

tad10_sl said:
.Less than 3% of white unmarried women and less than 2% of Black unmarried women. (Mosher and Bachrach, 1996)
.Of Black women with premarital births,
From 1952 to 1972, 1.5% placed their children for adoption.
From 1973 to 1981, this percentage fell to .2%
From 1982 to 1988, it rose to 1.1%.

.Of White women with premarital births,
From 1952 to 1972, 19.3% placed their children for adoption.
From 1973 to 1981, this percentage fell to 7.6%.
From 1982 to 1988, it fell further to 3.2%. (Bachrach, Stolley, London, 1992)

Sociologists attempt to bullshit and say there is no relationship between abortion and drop in adoption.
And you wonder why I think the social sciences are where the moutbreathers of academia nest? Yes availability of contraception plays into it but note the very signifcant drop in the Black given to adoption rate rate. As you know Black women and many minorities (such as Hispanics) abort at a much higher rate then white woman (availability of contraception thus the drop there is almost certainly due to unwanted kids getting aborted.

Speaking of bullshit, those are figures for BIRTHS, not abortions. How, PRECISELY, do figures for babies that do get born not being put up for adoption as much as they used to (presumably because its become increasingly acceptable to be an unwed single mother) prove that abortions cause a smaller adoption pool?

Tuco · Dec 21, 2012

tad10_sl said:
And your Condom breaks... Or her protection fails.

You are both adults and you know the risks. Why should the baby get killed for risks you both knowingly accepted when you had sex.

Dude know who you're talking to here. There's no chance any kid of mine and my wife's is getting aborted. That's been true since we've been active.

cosmic_cs_sl · Dec 21, 2012

Caliane_sl said:
no, I'm pretty sure anyone that base it on science can agree.
Its when you base it on religion that you don't.

Is that mass of cells alive? sure.
Is it a child of cell culture of the parent donors? sure.

My blood is alive too. Now, when I donate it.. I am not living inside someone else.
Its just some cells man. Livers, whatever.
If the brain ain't working its not a person yet.

hell, mother nature aborts fetuses all the time.

1) If you left your blood alone, it wouldn't become a baby
2) Mother nature aborting fetuses isn't a moral question
3) I've made a good argument that life starts at conception without using religion

TecKnoe · Dec 21, 2012

Really wish my cousin had an abortion shes mentally not fucking stable, financially a fucking mess and now she has a 1 year old thats going to suffer growing up because her mother wanted as many dicks inside her as possible, Father is a deadbeat she met at some grungy concert, why should a child have to grow up like that honestly i love the shit out of the baby but i feel like because the state her mom is in shes in for one hell of a fucking ride... sadly.

cosmic_cs_sl · Dec 21, 2012

TecKnoe_sl said:
Really wish my cousin had an abortion shes mentally not fucking stable, financially a fucking mess and now she has a 1 year old thats going to suffer growing up because her mother wanted as many dicks inside her as possible, Father is a deadbeat she met at some grungy concert, why should a child have to grow up like that honestly i love the shit out of the baby but i feel like because the state her mom is in shes in for one hell of a fucking ride... sadly.

But what if the baby causes her to change and look at life differently

Caliane · Dec 21, 2012

cosmic_cs_sl said:
1) If you left your blood alone, it wouldn't become a baby
2) Mother nature aborting fetuses isn't a moral question
3) I've made a good argument that life starts at conception without using religion

life starts before conception. SPerm is alive, eggs are alive, the parents are alive(hopefully)

The question is, what cells matter?
you don't give a fuck about blood, skin, or any other random cell.
So why do you care about embryo's? The body flushes out unfertilized AND fertilized eggs naturally. Sometimes, during pregnancies the body rejects, and absorbs the fetus.
You don't care about sperm, or eggs. But somehow it magically different the moment its fertilized? bullshit.

Let me ask you, on the other end.
Terry Schrivo. Would you have cut off her life support?

She was brain dead. If you agree she was DEAD, and it as just her body hanging on as a complicated system that can carry on past death of the brain. then the same applies at gestation. the fetus must develop as simple tissue, and masses of cells, that develop into a body. But until the brain is up and functioning, its not a person, its just a developing body.
I'm not going to pretend we know exactly when that occurs.. but its certainly enough to allow for early term abortions.

Tissue cultures, skin grafts, etc. Cloning. no brain. not a person.

B_Mizzle · Dec 21, 2012

Karloff_sl said:
There are plenty of kids to adopt, problem is most folks who adopt are white and they don't want older children or black kids. Asian kids are a status symbol and last I looked russian children are white.

Seriously who wants a black kid? That's just asking for a world of trouble most people don't want. Call it genetics, culture, poverty, whatever, 1/3 of black people are criminals and murderers. I'd roll the dice with a Mexican kid before a black kid.

kegkilla · Dec 21, 2012

Caliane_sl said:
life starts before conception. SPerm is alive, eggs are alive, the parents are alive(hopefully)

The question is, what cells matter?
you don't give a fuck about blood, skin, or any other random cell.
So why do you care about embryo's? The body flushes out unfertilized AND fertilized eggs naturally. Sometimes, during pregnancies the body rejects, and absorbs the fetus.
You don't care about sperm, or eggs. But somehow it magically different the moment its fertilized? bullshit.

Let me ask you, on the other end.
Terry Schrivo. Would you have cut off her life support?

She was brain dead. If you agree she was DEAD, and it as just her body hanging on as a complicated system that can carry on past death of the brain. then the same applies at gestation. the fetus must develop as simple tissue, and masses of cells, that develop into a body. But until the brain is up and functioning, its not a person, its just a developing body.
I'm not going to pretend we know exactly when that occurs.. but its certainly enough to allow for early term abortions.

Tissue cultures, skin grafts, etc. Cloning. no brain. not a person.

right, because Terry Schrivo was going to turn into a newborn baby, you fucking imbecile.

do you honestly think the shit you are spewing is a compelling argument for abortion? I would have a lot more respect for you limp wristed white knighters of knocked up skanks if you just came out and said, "yeah look, I recognize abortion is killing an unborn baby and I don't give a fuck." instead, you dance around with this bullshit about how it's not "technically" a baby, blah blah blah, bottom line is you're a fucking pussy who doesn't have the balls to admit you support killing unborn children.

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