so what"s your solution for when a man and a woman get into a fight?Cathan said:
You"re a woman and that is the only reason you get away with the stupid 12 year old girl shit you pull. Jesus Christ I despise you. You"re blind.Etoille said:
Oh yeah of course you can show emotion. But don"t bring your personal problems to work and/or expect your boss to be a shoulder to cry on. The story you told I don"t have much of an issue with really, you avoided the situation until you were composed.Etoille said:
They"re pros being paid millions of dollars, covered with millions more in insurance, and know how to handle themselves. If someone gets in a tussle in a beer league, cracks their head on the ice and is left a vegetable that"s going to end badly for everyone involved.Cathan said:
A single punch can kill someone for fuck"s sake, whether by the initial impact or them falling and hitting their head, or having a heart attack/stroke, god knows what. And fights don"t generally settle anything in a workplace setting. There"s every chance that whoever lost gets bitter about it and shows up the next day to off half his floor.
If it came to blows both would be fired and I"d call the police. Assuming both fought willingly. If there was an obvious initiator then perhaps the guy defending himself would be kept on.
I"d fire them on the spot, we cater to wealthy customers, and they are so finicky that if it happened on their property, they"d never use us again. They might get into a fight after work and off the clock (thats happened), but they know better. We also use alot of special and high end equipment that can kill people, if the guys are mad, someone could die. So if we have guys not getting along, we might move them to another crew, and if they can"t get along with that crew, than we know they aren"t team players, and they are done.Cathan said:
I support throwing hands because it"s a near instant solution to problems when someone is being a dick. Imo, it puts people in check that are being tools and if more people did it then a LOT less people would be tools. That"s why I support fighting. Generally it"s women that don"t support it because most women don"t see the benefit as clearly as men. Maybe the fights I was in were the only ones that were somewhat productive. I could be wrong about the general population I guess...Etoille said:
I hear that crap all the time - mostly from shop guys and not guys in the office. I have no desire to hear it and normally shut it down pretty quick.Lyrical said:
Yup, although we went to the extreme. I did what Kiyosaki said, when I got raises, I didn"t go out and buy a bigger car and house (with bigger payments), I just saved and invested the excess. When I was making $85-90k a year, I still lived in the same house that I lived in when I was making 30k a year. How do you think we got to a 54% savings rate? It got so bad that people I worked with asked me what was up, but I valued financial freedom over all else. They"d get concerned everytime restructurings were announced because they couldn"t go one week without work, but I had like five years of savings on hand, meaning I could have gone five years with no income! When you get up in the a.m. and go to work not because you have to, but because you want to, that is very freeing.Cathan said:
The answer to your question depends on your income level and what you consider rich and what you consider "poor". I think the book goes way too far in frugality but they were trying to make a point. If you make $70k a year you need to be a lot more frugal to be independent than someone who makes $200k, or $500k. To me, the important path to independence is to finally break the cycle of spending whatever you have, instead spend what you NEED, and then your money will pile up on the side. Too many people get a raise or have money left over in their accounts and immediately go, "hmmm, what can I buy?".Cathan said:
That"s a very good point that shows you are discerning. The book does go to extremes to make this point, but if you missed it, I don"t know what to say. Every raise I got was knocked back to paying down debt, investing and saving, it didn"t go to bigger stuff. At one point, the only debt I had was my house note, but now that I paid almost a million bucks for this business (my note on the business is $5,400 a month), and have a fleet of trucks and cars and equipment, I"m in debt again, but its a good debt because it produces cash flow. So now the cycle begins anew, but with a higher income and more debt, and I"m moving and rearranging my debt like I did before to increase cash flow, so I can reduce debt. If I had the business free and clear, we"d never lose money in any month. The previous owner got to the point everything was free and clear, and boy that must have been easy.Cad said:
60% is sweet, I"d definitely pump up the 401k to 10%, or more. Its all tax deductible. You might also consider an IRA (check the rules about that). I"d stay away from individual stocks for now until you develop a good financial base to your portfolio, you can make alot of money or lose alot in individual stocks. I"d also check out any company programs, one company I worked at offered a 15% discount and you could flip it within 30 days of buying it.Cathan said:
