American Gods

Drakain said:

Holy fuck. The Jesus scene was irony. Jesus preached peace and love thy neighbor. They were killing in god's name and in that effort, killed a version of the lord they worshiped. The political message is all the people who preach hate in jesus' name are hypocrites or crazies.

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Xevy said:

This. Fun fact, none of the shooters faces were shown so as not to point to a certain type of people. Only the rosary and engraving. You guys are projecting your butthurt.

I was in the Ghostbusters thread a lot. That thread is a perfect example of what I don't enjoy watching these threads dissolve into.

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Drakain said:

Holy fuck. The Jesus scene was irony. Jesus preached peace and love thy neighbor. They were killing in god's name and in that effort, killed a version of the lord they worshiped. The political message is all the people who preach hate in jesus' name are hypocrites or crazies.

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Quaid said:

Yeah. Those guys could have been any kind of person! Their full faces weren't shown so they could have been half-black/latinx, quadriplegic, demiqueer pastrami-kin from Puerto Rico!

But wait, I just watched it again and their faces were mostly shown, along with many other indicators for what the viewer was supposed to think they were. White, blue-eyed, Christian males driving under cover of darkness to an illegal border crossing as murderous vigilantes, pulling up in GMC pickups with floodlights, wielding 'assault rifles' and wearing cowboy hats. Minuteman Project - Wikipedia

Yeah, definitely doesn't look like a certain kind of person or conjure up any stereotypes at all.

Your brand of shit-tier, concern-troll, cuckoldry makes me long for Tanoomba.

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Xevy said:

Oh man, they showed the one shooter's blue eye! What a condemnation of all whites!

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Quaid said:

But wait, I just watched it again and their faces were mostly shown, along with many other indicators for what the viewer was supposed to think they were.

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chaos said:

I've read Gaiman's interviews pretty extensively, and I'm aware of his personal politics. But the focus on immigration in the book was mostly on the founding of America, the melting pot, the foreign gods and their introduction to the US, etc. I don't see that as a political message, that's just history. His view of the Midwest in the book is a little quaint, but he's also talking about a particular highway culture rather than the whole of the Midwest, for the most part. That culture existed and was fading at the time of the writing of the book, which was a theme that was basically used to club you over the head.

Maybe it is me, I didn't pick up any kind of message related to immigration at all in the first 5 episodes. I don't go to leftwing political forums, and I'm sitting here wondering wtf it is they could be discussing with glee in those first 5 episodes.

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Cantatus said:

Yeah, immigration is a necessary part of the story because it's what explains how the so many different gods got here. It's why Gaiman set this story in America and why it wouldn't work anywhere else. It's something unique to America's identity and history. But acknowledging immigration is not inherently political. The book never takes a stance one way or the other that I remember, just references it in the "Coming to America" vignettes as a way of showing the different ways the gods got here, and I don't think the show has been incredibly political in that regard either. It's necessary for the plot and not really as any sort of moral.

Every other episode has shown immigration, whether through history or through an immigrant's story. The only reason people are seeing this as any different is because it relates more closely to what's become a hot-button issue. But, like the others, it's a scene with a basis in reality that's more about how a god came over. It also establishes gods can be "killed" while setting up for Vulcan's introduction. It's also worth noting that Wednesday explicitly refers to this event and the people coming over as "illegal" in a previous episode.

Regardless, if immigration is a topic that bothers you and find politically triggering, the show is going to continue to get on your nerves. The show is almost certainly going to continue to reference immigration in the aptly-named "Coming to America" vignettes as Gaiman wanted to write a story about America and felt this was necessary to do so.

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Quaid said:

You show a screenshot from a scene several minutes long? Are you a moron, a troll, or both?

They show his skin, which is white. They show his eye, which is blue. They also allude to racial identity through cultural markers like clothing and religion.

"This. Fun fact, none of the shooters faces were shown so as not to point to a certain type of people. Only the rosary and engraving."

I guess it doesn't matter. The opinions you've expressed, as usual, are pure shite.

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Enzee said:

rofl, you fuckers are more sensitive then the otherkin snowflakes you make fun of. Soon as 'white guys' aren't getting their proverbial dick sucked about how awesome they are, it's like someone pissed in your cheerios.
The gun town was over the top because it was a fucking cult worshiping firearms and it wasn't even THAT over the top compared to reality. It just combined the aspects of two actual groups into one. I live in Arkansas and that kind of shit absolutely happens. It was a slightly exaggerated version of something that actually exists in our country. I'm also guessing half of you complaining didn't 'get' that the border crossing and the town were the SAME PEOPLE. They were all worshiping Vulcan (firearms) indirectly.

Some minority or SJW gets upset about a racial stereotype on TV and you make fun of them for being a pussy. Happens to you, and you get just as pissed. Or, the majority of the cast is still white and you act like they have 'over diversified' the show (counting those appearing in 2 or more episodes so far: Wednesday, Czernobog, Sweeney, Dead Wife, Technical Boy, Media, and Mr. World vs Shadow, Bilquis and Salim). I'm not saying they need to change the cast, or add in more minorities or something, just pointing out that if this show feels to you like it's 'too diverse' when it's still majority white, then your point of view is skewed.

The term fragility gets tossed around too much, but that was an actual legit example was the point. It means that even when something is in your favor, if it's less then you had before, you over-react. Which is exactly what Lord Lightning Rule did. None of the examples he mentioned stood out as being over the top or even offensive. I never felt like the show was hating on 'white' people whatsoever. They were making fun of the hardcore racist gun freaks, yes, but that's not all white people. So, unless you ARE a member of the nazis or KKK, you shouldn't have identified with those groups. Same way showing a black dude in a gang shouldn't offend the average black person.

If those examples he pointed out felt overly political to you, you are looking for a reason to be pissed off. I mean, one gay scene and the whole show is 'pandering to the fags', ok yea, right.. I think the lady doth protest too much.

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