Ancient Civilizations

Chukzombi said:

The pyramids were supposedly built over 20 to 30 years. 2.3 million stones averaging 5000 pounds each. They estimated that for that to happen, each stone was cut, transported and placed every 20 or so seconds for 20 to 30 years.

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Quaid said:

Weren’t 90%+ of the stones very roughly cut and jammed in to fill in the bulk? Only the outsides were precision ground limestone, and only the interior chamber linings were hewn granite. Or am i mistaken?

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• Core stones
  The average size of core stones was 1.27 m x 1.27 m x 0.69 m (50 in x 50 in x 27 in) and they weighed around 2,500 kg (5,511 lbs).
• Higher layers
  Smaller blocks, around 1.0 m x 1.0 m x 0.5 m (approx 1.3 tons), were used in higher layers because they were easier to transport.
• King's Chamber
  Stone blocks in the King's Chamber weighed between 50,000–60,000 kg (110,000–132,000 lbs).
• Above the King's Chamber
  The largest granite stones in the pyramid, located above the King's Chamber, weighed between 25–80 tons each

Chukzombi said:

Some stones may have been roughly cut, but that really makes no difference. 2.3 million 5000 pound stones, cut, moved and placed over the course of a few decades. That's maybe the largest undertaking in human history and there were 3 of those with several minor pyramids and a hundred more pyramids scattered all over Egypt. Then you have the dimensions which are astonishing in itself. Each side lines up perfectly with North, South, East and West. There are quite a few of those crazy facts about the pyramids. Marvel of engineering 5000 years ago.

The size and weight of pyramid blocks varied depending on their location in the pyramid:

• Core stones
  The average size of core stones was 1.27 m x 1.27 m x 0.69 m (50 in x 50 in x 27 in) and they weighed around 2,500 kg (5,511 lbs).
• Higher layers
  Smaller blocks, around 1.0 m x 1.0 m x 0.5 m (approx 1.3 tons), were used in higher layers because they were easier to transport.
• King's Chamber
  Stone blocks in the King's Chamber weighed between 50,000–60,000 kg (110,000–132,000 lbs).
• Above the King's Chamber
  The largest granite stones in the pyramid, located above the King's Chamber, weighed between 25–80 tons each

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Quaid said:

hmmm none of that seems crazy to me… A pair of Ox on a yoke can pull 12,000lbs. And real basic knowledge of geometry and star motion gets you a 90 degree angle to true North…

But ya the scale and dedication is certainly impressive. I’m more impressed by the logistics than the actual structure.

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Chukzombi said:

Ox are fast animals? Do they eat a lot? 2.3 million blocks of stone over 20 years. how many stones were hauled every minute? How many oxen would be needed?

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Chris said:

Who is making the 20 year claim and what's their evidence for it?

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Chukzombi said:

Who? The ancient Egyptians. The pyramid was a tomb intended for the king and they werent going to put him in it 100 years after his death. It was to be ready for his death. So they put it together in 20 years. Now if you disagree with the egyptologists and say no way they can build that in just 20 years, that would make you a conspiracy theorist. Ya know the people who believe Mauritania is the home of Atlantis.

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Chris said:

So you personally decided it was 20 years then got mad at yourself?

You know that these people erased names on monuments and put their own there instead right?

Again, has any Egyptologist said it actually took 20 years? Because they probably explained the math instead of us guessing here.

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Chukzombi said:

Dude are you fucking high right now? Look I have lots of stoner friends, when you are a metalhead growing up. You tend to have friends who light up. I didn't make up the 20 years thing. When you sober up or whatever. Google will still be there. Please use it. I like to prove stuff to ignorant people, but you're just being stupid.

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Chris said:

I'm saying this to get you to look up the maths used.

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Chukzombi said:

Maths.....

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TJT said:

You're being pedantic friend.

The current official story is that the Pharaoh Khufu had it built for his royal tomb. Therefore it had to have been built within his lifetime, but after he took the Throne. Because his father's pyramid is much smaller and less grand. So you really had this approximately 30 years or so to build it so it would be ready by the time of his death. This is again following the tradition of the Mustabas that also litter the Giza plateau. Additionally it would have had to have been a time of great plenty within the region due to the resources it took to make.

Quaid adding to that is that the quarry for the stones was most likely in Aswan. So they had to move all of that several hundred kilometers to the site.

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Chukzombi said:

Ox are fast animals? Do they eat a lot? 2.3 million blocks of stone over 20 years. how many stones were hauled every minute? How many oxen would be needed?

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Quaid said:

Aren’t there writings from Ancient Greece saying the project took a workforce of 100k men? That’s a lot of dudes.

Let’s say the were oxen teams of two each with a load capacity of 2 blocks… they work 300 days per year for 20 years… They make a single delivery per day…

So 6000 work days and you’d have to move 384 blocks per day to get to 2.3million blocks. That’s 192 oxen tandems… and they’d make a delivery every 5 minutes if they delivered for 14 hours per day? So double the number of Oxen because one day they’re delivering and the second day they’re travelling back to the quarry site? I dont know about oxen stamina so maybe thats not necessary, but maybe worst case you’d need 1000 animals at any given time?

My mind isn’t blown.

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Chukzombi said:

Ancient Greek writings Herodotus said they only worked three months out of the year

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Quaid said:

Ok so triple the amount of oxen? Even 3000 seems fine. I bet there were many unloading teams for the blocks on site, but then many placement and many shaping teams too.

That said i was MEGA conservative and all this seems real achievable with the respurces and tech of the time.

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Scientists Have an Answer to How the Egyptian Pyramids Were Built - JSTOR Daily

Using sand, water, and a scale model of an ancient Egyptian transport sled, a team of international scientists have answered an enduring question: "How on

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Chukzombi said:

No oxen and no wheels for the great pyramid.

Scientists Have an Answer to How the Egyptian Pyramids Were Built - JSTOR Daily

Using sand, water, and a scale model of an ancient Egyptian transport sled, a team of international scientists have answered an enduring question: "How on

daily.jstor.org

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Chukzombi said:

Ancient Greek writings Herodotus said they only worked three months out of the year

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Chris said:

If Herodotus said they built it, then we should belive him the same amount you belive Plato.

Also this video seems timely, I wonder what it will say...

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