Ancient Civilizations

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MusicForFish said:


Maybe a little to convenient.
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aint nobody got time for that GIF
 
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As I posted, it's from a crank who posted it a few years ago without peer review, it just got boosted by infowars recently.

Likely just made up.
 
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It isn't like LIDAR is anything new. Why did they find it just now?

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As I posted, it's from a crank who posted it a few years ago without peer review, it just got boosted by infowars recently.
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Durr peEr ReViEw is so reliable.
 
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It’s amazing how this shit goes viral every few years. Even graham hancock mostly handwaived it off, to give a sense of how much bullshit this is
 
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Even AA calls bullshit. I didn't even entertain this. That's not to say there aren't underground tunnels. There are. But this thing is either being misunderstood by accident or purposefully by grifters.

 
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I've heard of this on other videos but never bothered to watch this guy's video on it. There really aren't too many publicly available people who look into this stuff in India. But it is very likely that the Taj Mahal is built ontop of something else. But whatever it was is seemingly lost to time and some efforts were taken to eradicate the local history of the region by the Buddhist Empire that existed in Middle Ages India. This empire spent centuries of time and effort defacing and destroying the old Hindu stuff and changing the art styles to be more in line with the Buddhist aesthetics. The Muslims that created Taj Mahal came after that.

 
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Even AA calls bullshit. I didn't even entertain this. That's not to say there aren't underground tunnels. There are. But this thing is either being misunderstood by accident or purposefully by grifters.

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hmm not sure if u watched the video, but he didnt really call it bullshit. He just say they need more clarity on the methodology used and the study overall, cause in his opinion most of the result are noises or natural formation. So the guy chris posted... say the study need to be peer reviewed. The team that published this posted a study in 2022 or 2023 that was peer reviewed on the same subjest, this new one just added some more shit with the new tech.

Regarding the veracity of it, i tend to be skeptic, and it shud be also really easy to prove either case. I mean if they say that new tech they using (is some sort of satelitte lidar scanning i guess) shown something massive, is the tech reliable or not? why lie if its easy to disprove it (granted the egyptian authority allows a lidar scan in there).
 
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hmm not sure if u watched the video, but he didnt really call it bullshit. He just say they need more clarity on the methodology used and the study overall, cause in his opinion most of the result are noises or natural formation. So the guy chris posted... say the study need to be peer reviewed. The team that published this posted a study in 2022 or 2023 that was peer reviewed on the same subjest, this new one just added some more shit with the new tech.

Regarding the veracity of it, i tend to be skeptic, and it shud be also really easy to prove either case. I mean if they say that new tech they using (is some sort of satelitte lidar scanning i guess) shown something massive, is the tech reliable or not? why lie if its easy to disprove it (granted the egyptian authority allows a lidar scan in there).
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I saw the whole video, AA did a great job.

He was very reasonable and neutral but he does call it bullshit by the end because the evidence is overwhelming.

Main issues are:

It's not ground penetrating RADAR, they only replicated their methodology to detect subsurface features in one other place which is a mountain in Italy with a lab inside.

They haven't shown their work on how what they detected becomes the features they claim. The Giza plateau is weathered limestone with natural caves and iron veins, they could have just picked up some of that stuff.

The pyramids have already been extensively scanned with better tech, features picked up in previous scans are missing and the extra galleries claimed were not in the previous scans.

The entire thing is below the water table, they apparently built a massive underground structure next to a fucking river.

There is no evidence of such a massive excavation anywhere, where did all the rock extracted go?
 
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Let’s cut to the chase. If it’s true it would all but eliminate the ancient Egyptians as the builders of the pyramids. That’s really the dividing line on this issue. People that think the ancient Egyptians built them and don’t want to consider any alternative to the standard model of human history think this study is bullshit and vice versa.

I wonder where the Egyptian government is on the issue and how their news is covering it. I know that Egyptians seeing themselves as the builders of the pyramids is a huge source of national pride and national identity.
 
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I can think something is bullshit for entirely different reasons. Like, all the ones listed above and in those videos. I don't care one bit who actually built them.
 
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No one making YouTube or Tik-Tok videos really understands the data yet is my point, they’re mostly all opinions based on presuppositions. The AA guy in the video was pretty clearly saying he didn’t understand it all yet but he raises good points. Listen to his opening lines of that video and tell me if it’s an unbiased account.
 
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Julian The Apostate said:
No one making YouTube or Tik-Tok videos really understands the data yet is my point, they’re mostly all opinions based on presuppositions. The AA guy in the video was pretty clearly saying he didn’t understand it all yet but he raises good points. Listen to his opening lines of that video and tell me if it’s an unbiased account.
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It's unbiased.
 
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Julian The Apostate said:
Let’s cut to the chase. If it’s true it would all but eliminate the ancient Egyptians as the builders of the pyramids. That’s really the dividing line on this issue. People that think the ancient Egyptians built them and don’t want to consider any alternative to the standard model of human history think this study is bullshit and vice versa.

I wonder where the Egyptian government is on the issue and how their news is covering it. I know that Egyptians seeing themselves as the builders of the pyramids is a huge source of national pride and national identity.
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The modern Egyptian populace are all descendants of the Muslim Conquest that happened in the 7th and 8th century. If you watch lots of AA videos his most interesting ones are when he digs up journals of British aristocrats and other Orientalists who went to Egypt in previous centuries.

The locals had no idea who built the Pyramids or any of the monuments then. Strabo visited the region in the 1st century BCE and even then nobody knew who made them. They were just ruins laying the sand. Memories of a bygone age.

The most compelling thing about all of this ancient architecture to me is the scale itself. If you look at anything humans build there is a constant theme. Most structures humans build are generally built with what? Objects that the average human can reasonably carry. See cobblestone, modern uniform bricks, and so on. Logically human beings will build with things they can move around. You see this in all of the megalithic sites. It's very glaring in Japan, Peru, and Egypt.

Yet, in the distant past, people instead took the time to move things far beyond reasonable human ability. Only to totally forget how to do this and go back to the logical way of building things with materials that can be reasonably carried or moved. They did this with copper and stone tools and not a single modern convenience.

Baffling.
 
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The modern Egyptian populace are all descendants of the Muslim Conquest that happened in the 7th and 8th century. If you watch lots of AA videos his most interesting ones are when he digs up journals of British aristocrats and other Orientalists who went to Egypt in previous centuries.

The locals had no idea who built the Pyramids or any of the monuments then. Strabo visited the region in the 1st century BCE and even then nobody knew who made them. They were just ruins laying the sand. Memories of a bygone age.

The most compelling thing about all of this ancient architecture to me is the scale itself. If you look at anything humans build there is a constant theme. Most structures humans build are generally built with what? Objects that the average human can reasonably carry. See cobblestone, modern uniform bricks, and so on. Logically human beings will build with things they can move around. You see this in all of the megalithic sites. It's very glaring in Japan, Peru, and Egypt.

Yet, in the distant past, people instead took the time to move things far beyond reasonable human ability. Only to totally forget how to do this and go back to the logical way of building things with materials that can be reasonably carried or moved. They did this with copper and stone tools and not a single modern convenience.

Baffling.
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Why is this baffling? You just need to go to the tile section at your hardware store to understand. Poors buy 12x12 ceramic, well to do people by 18x18 porcelain and wealthy people install giant sheets of natural stone.
 
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nyn said:
hmm not sure if u watched the video, but he didnt really call it bullshit. He just say they need more clarity on the methodology used and the study overall, cause in his opinion most of the result are noises or natural formation. So the guy chris posted... say the study need to be peer reviewed. The team that published this posted a study in 2022 or 2023 that was peer reviewed on the same subjest, this new one just added some more shit with the new tech.

Regarding the veracity of it, i tend to be skeptic, and it shud be also really easy to prove either case. I mean if they say that new tech they using (is some sort of satelitte lidar scanning i guess) shown something massive, is the tech reliable or not? why lie if its easy to disprove it (granted the egyptian authority allows a lidar scan in there).
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I watched the video and he literally calls bullshit. There is no way in the world these structures existed for human use. Or for advanced humanoids to use. It's a nonsensical idea that there was some spiral staircase that went down 2000 feet to nowhere.
 
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