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Ant Man. July 2015
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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Amzin
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If Lucas had stuck to his guns with the original Star Wars we would have had shit for Star Wars too. Just because you have direction and a vision doesn't mean anything. The best creators still benefit from outside input and occasional editing.
Chukzombi
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in Lucas's case for the original star wars, the outsiders were people under Lucas's employ.they suggested stuff and he liked it and used it. all that is fine because the director still has control over their own vision. the bad is when outsiders beyond the director's control get involved and start telling you whats what.
Royal
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Yeah if you watch enough making of's or director's commentaries you do see instances of a studio making a request or refusing to pay for something, particularly a specific actor, that does seem to lead to a better finished product. The director is still given latitude on how to achieve those things.
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I'm really only going to see this on reputation. I love Paul Rudd, but it's Marvel's rep that will put my ass in the seat. Paul Rudd isn't a a weather vane for me. He's awesome in everything he's in, but he's in some shitty movies. There will be a bust for comic book movies, but I don't think we're there yet. Marvel is pouring love into their cinematic releases right now.
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People keep saying this, but there's been plenty of shitty comic book movies. What you all really mean is there will eventually be a bust for MARVEL movies. DC/Fox/Sony have already done their damndest to crash the genre and Marvel just keeps chugging along.
I imagine sometime mid Phase 3 we might finally start seeing real box office evidence of the fatigue people have been predicting for the last few Marvel movies. But that's still a few years down the road and really just speculation on my part not based on anything concrete.
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i don't think so. comic books have been american media for too long. we all cringe when a character gets a yet another origin movie (har har). but look at superman. movies, tv shows. cartoons? i think we need new origin movies on something faster than a generational frequency. actors will want to move on or get to old to fit the role, except the reverse aging hugh jackman. look how bad superman movies were starting at christopher reeve's 3rd? yet that character still gets new prints, new cartoons and new movies.
just like we'll never stop seeing romeo and Juliet story lines
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It's been mentioned before, but I think the thing that Marvel is doing to avoid fatigue is they aren't just doing straightforward comic book movies. Each movie takes a bit of a curve into another genre - space opera (GotG), heist (Ant-Man), mythology/fantasy (Thor), history/war (Captain America), etc. On the surface they're all superhero movies, but they each have a slightly different tone so you aren't constantly going and seeing the exact same movie every time. It's hard to get tired of Marvel movies because they keep moving the target. Even if they have a flop, you know the next thing will be different enough that they'll likely rebound. I mean, I wasn't wild about the Thor movies, but then I got Captain America 2 and GotG.
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i will give that to marvel over dc. they do keep their movies fun. avengers had aliens attacking nyc and it was still interesting and i didnt have to relive jarring flashbacks from 9/11 of people trying to outrun collapsing skyscrapers. seriously, fuck you Man of Steel for doing that to me
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*sigh* What was so different about all the buildings collapsing in Avengers? I just rewatched all of the recent Marvel movies (from Iron Man on), and there was some fairly massive devastation in several of them. Sure, they weren't quite the level of the Kryptonian ship's graviton beam or whatever, but if you've really got PTSD about 9/11, how could Avengers in particular not leave you a quivering mess? Or, on a lesser but no less traumatic scale, Winter Soldier and everyone fleeing in terror from the Triskelion collapsing? Or Thor 2 and the alien ships smashing buildings left and right? I mean, I'm not saying Man of Steel was better than any of those; whenever I watch it I skip the first 20 minutes of Pandorakrypton because that shit just straight sucked. But the things people criticize in one movie but not another just kill me.
Anyway, back on topic, I have zero interest in Ant Man or Black Panther, was never even really a Doctor Strange fan, and never gave a shit about the Inhumans, but I can't fucking wait for their movies. And I think they are diversifying enough that the viewing audience (for the most part) sees them as different enough from the Spider Mans and X-Men and Fantastic Four, so it isn't really viewed as a comic book movie anymore by a lot of people. Hell, I knew housewives that took their kids to see Guardians of the Galaxy and ended up absolutely loving it and saying they can't wait for the next Marvel movie now. Guardians of the Galaxy all by itself really helped make Marvel even more of a powerhouse than it already was by expanding their audience beyond people like us. Get those same housewives to realize that Paul Rudd is Ant-Man, and chances are they go see that one too.
And as far as Ms. Marvel, don't underestimate the fact that she has a pretty big following amongst the gays. That's not enough to make something an automatic success obviously, but it sure helps.
Anyway, back on topic, I have zero interest in Ant Man or Black Panther, was never even really a Doctor Strange fan, and never gave a shit about the Inhumans, but I can't fucking wait for their movies. And I think they are diversifying enough that the viewing audience (for the most part) sees them as different enough from the Spider Mans and X-Men and Fantastic Four, so it isn't really viewed as a comic book movie anymore by a lot of people. Hell, I knew housewives that took their kids to see Guardians of the Galaxy and ended up absolutely loving it and saying they can't wait for the next Marvel movie now. Guardians of the Galaxy all by itself really helped make Marvel even more of a powerhouse than it already was by expanding their audience beyond people like us. Get those same housewives to realize that Paul Rudd is Ant-Man, and chances are they go see that one too.
And as far as Ms. Marvel, don't underestimate the fact that she has a pretty big following amongst the gays. That's not enough to make something an automatic success obviously, but it sure helps.
Royal
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Yeah, Chris Pratt is Marvel's greatly improved version of Taylor Lautner, pulling in a far better demo than angsty teenage girls and 20-30somthings that want to relive being angsty teenage girls.