Ant Man. July 2015

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I don't think anyone is dismissing this movie like was done with guardians. Once the full trailer came out with the music and visuals most of us were hooked in. We knew that it was going to tie in with the infinity stones and it would almost HAVE to tie in with Thanos because of Gamora and Nebula. So with Ant Man, I think to really hook us in its going to need a good trailer (which marvel is great at) and it will need some tie in with the MCU as a whole. My point was if it doesn't then what is the point of this movie.
Doctor Strange will open up a new mystical side of the MCU that should help launch Iron Fist. Black Panther will give us Waconda and more vibrainium. Captain Marvel will give us a new 'leader' character to start another avengers team. They all have a part to play. I just want to know what Ant Mans part will be.
 
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Drakain_sl said:
I just want to know what Ant Mans part will be.
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It will be a rad movie that's fun to watch.

Honestly your concerns are probably what lead to Marvel/Edgar Wright parting ways in the first place. He just wanted to make his Ant Man movie and they were concerned how it fits in to the bigger picture.
 
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The problem I have with more and more esoteric super powers is they start to become like the 007 movies where you have this outlandish contraption that JUST happens to work exactly in the situation Bond finds himself in. For Marvel specifically... Ironman, Thor, Hulk, several of the X-men... they all just have a power set and story that lends themselves to obvious power. When you start getting to some other heroes (even A list like Spiderman, Captain America) it starts to get a little more 'citation needed' explanation for how they do things because it isn't by brute force (comparatively speaking, obviously they are both 'super strong' just not by superhero standards). By the time you get down to things like Ant Man, it starts to become like Night Boat (there's always a canal... or a river... or a fjord...) and then I have to ask, why not just have a normal drama/action flick? It's one thing to see a man in a bad ass robot suit destroy tanks and whatever, but by the time you are shrinking to dodge a punch instead of just choreographing the fight to duck instead, it just doesn't feel as compelling.
 
Xarpolis

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Let's see what they actually come up with before we draw some conclusions about shrinking to dodge a punch. I'd wager that doesn't happen at all, but time will tell.
 
Chukzombi

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*sigh* What was so different about all the buildings collapsing in Avengers? I just rewatched all of the recent Marvel movies (from Iron Man on), and there was some fairly massive devastation in several of them. Sure, they weren't quite the level of the Kryptonian ship's graviton beam or whatever, but if you've really got PTSD about 9/11, how could Avengers in particular not leave you a quivering mess? Or, on a lesser but no less traumatic scale, Winter Soldier and everyone fleeing in terror from the Triskelion collapsing? Or Thor 2 and the alien ships smashing buildings left and right? I mean, I'm not saying Man of Steel was better than any of those; whenever I watch it I skip the first 20 minutes of Pandorakrypton because that shit just straight sucked. But the things people criticize in one movie but not another just kill me.
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there is a difference, avengers didnt focus on realistic imagery of humans dying and marvel focused on cartoonish images of destruction. its like in Pacific Rim or the Toho Godzilla films, when the big bad monster comes along, the city is ready and everyone is safely tucked away somewhere. i dunno if they did that in the avengers, but it felt that way to me. in MoS it was a normal work day in NYC and then bad shit happens right in the heart of the city killing millions before they had time to even know what was happening to them.
 
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Maester Chuk_sl said:
there is a difference, avengers didnt focus on realistic imagery of humans dying and marvel focused on cartoonish images of destruction. its like in Pacific Rim or the Toho Godzilla films, when the big bad monster comes along, the city is ready and everyone is safely tucked away somewhere. i dunno if they did that in the avengers, but it felt that way to me. in MoS it was a normal work day in NYC and then bad shit happens right in the heart of the city killing millions before they had time to even know what was happening to them.
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So essentially you didn't watch Avengers then, is what you're saying. Did you forget the parts where there were civilians everywhere? Hawkeye and Black Widow and Captain America helping kids out of buses, chunks of buildings raining down when those massive space centipedes smashed through them, Hulk running through the 37th floor of an office building, with people still in it looking at the centipede about to crush them until he saves them...none of that ringing a bell?

And there were zero realistic images of people dying in MoS either, much as you want to remember differently. Show me one scene of anyone actually lying dead or being crushed or anything worse than the ambiguous reverse gravity fling into the air with no depiction of what happens afterward, and I will admit you are right. But you are just choosing to remember one movie one way, and one movie another because it fits your narrative. That's fine, you are entitled to do that, but at least own up to it.
 
Chukzombi

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So essentially you didn't watch Avengers then, is what you're saying. Did you forget the parts where there were civilians everywhere? Hawkeye and Black Widow and Captain America helping kids out of buses, chunks of buildings raining down when those massive space centipedes smashed through them, Hulk running through the 37th floor of an office building, with people still in it looking at the centipede about to crush them until he saves them...none of that ringing a bell?

And there were zero realistic images of people dying in MoS either, much as you want to remember differently. Show me one scene of anyone actually lying dead or being crushed or anything worse than the ambiguous reverse gravity fling into the air with no depiction of what happens afterward, and I will admit you are right. But you are just choosing to remember one movie one way, and one movie another because it fits your narrative. That's fine, you are entitled to do that, but at least own up to it.
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to be honest i have not seen avengers since 2012 and have not seen MoS since 2013. but even though i misremembered some aspects, in marvel films you see destruction, but you also see people getting saved. in MoS you see much wider destruction and you see people trying to save themselves. btw you can not outrun a collapsing skyscraper. there was no superman or any super there to save those people, so yes you see dying people. how fat morpheus was able to run ahead of everyone and survive was the most amazing thing.

as i have stated several times i am a big fan of DC comics characters and i do not hate MoS but for the fact that superman didnt seem to give too many fucks about the collateral damage he was causing to metropolis or smallville. at least Avengers addressed all that by showing lots of people being saved along with the destruction. i didnt to have feel gutpunched watching people run for their lives because there was nobody there to help them. i am also not focusing only on MoS, they pulled this same thing in DKR, just not the same in scale of destruction and lives lost.
 
Xevy

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Anyone want to guess whether Ant Man is a 'scientist desperate to save his daughter' in this movie so they can use Ant Man 2.0 as poor man's Tony Stark? I can't remember, but I thought burglar ant man was just a dude and not a super scientist or anything like that.
 
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Maester Chuk_sl said:
to be honest i have not seen avengers since 2012 and have not seen MoS since 2013. but even though i misremembered some aspects, in marvel films you see destruction, but you also see people getting saved. in MoS you see much wider destruction and you see people trying to save themselves. btw you can not outrun a collapsing skyscraper. there was no superman or any super there to save those people, so yes you see dying people. how fat morpheus was able to run ahead of everyone and survive was the most amazing thing.

as i have stated several times i am a big fan of DC comics characters and i do not hate MoS but for the fact that superman didnt seem to give too many fucks about the collateral damage he was causing to metropolis or smallville. at least Avengers addressed all that by showing lots of people being saved along with the destruction. i didnt to have feel gutpunched watching people run for their lives because there was nobody there to help them. i am also not focusing only on MoS, they pulled this same thing in DKR, just not the same in scale of destruction and lives lost.
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Well I'm glad movie studios aren't conforming to your ambiguous and strangely selective PTSD that is only triggered by how you remember things happening instead of how they actually happened.
 
Chukzombi

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Vvoid_sl said:
So essentially you didn't watch Avengers then, is what you're saying. Did you forget the parts where there were civilians everywhere? Hawkeye and Black Widow and Captain America helping kids out of buses, chunks of buildings raining down when those massive space centipedes smashed through them, Hulk running through the 37th floor of an office building, with people still in it looking at the centipede about to crush them until he saves them...none of that ringing a bell?

And there were zero realistic images of people dying in MoS either, much as you want to remember differently. Show me one scene of anyone actually lying dead or being crushed or anything worse than the ambiguous reverse gravity fling into the air with no depiction of what happens afterward, and I will admit you are right. But you are just choosing to remember one movie one way, and one movie another because it fits your narrative. That's fine, you are entitled to do that, but at least own up to it.
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so i just threw on the avengers again because you accused me of not watching the film. lets see. lots of aliens doing exterior damage to buildings, some cars blown up, no building collapses, scenes of the avengers saving people. even the friggin hulk bumrushed one of those space eels to save a building. lots of lightearted banter along the way. no OMFG everyone in the city just got buttfucked" feelings.

thats how you make a superHERO movie.
 
Void

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All right, I can agree with you that there was a different feel between Avengers and Man of Steel in terms of the destruction (more humor in Avengers), but I still submit that most of your complaint is just your perception of it. Because I didn't realize that it is specifically buildings collapsing which stresses you out, not just the inevitable collapse later from all the structural damage, or the chunks raining down on innocent people, or explosions, or whatever. If it is strictly them falling down, then ok, there is nothing I can offer you because Man of Steel definitely has more of that.

But to be fair, you should go watch Man of Steel again (you can skip the first 20 minutes, I'm not an asshole) and report back all of the "realistic imagery of humans dying" so we have both sides of your complaint to compare. Or just say that it is specifically buildings falling down that bothers you. I can't argue with that one.

And so we're clear, I've said many times before that if they had just spent 15 seconds showing Superman attempting to flee Metropolis, only to have Zod say nope and smash some buildings until he came back, it would have been a thousand times better in that regard. They didn't have him do it though, and that is pretty much the thing that everyone hinges their complaints on, so I'll admit they fucked up. And Avengers was a vastly better movie in almost all regards. I just think you're choosing to view the two movies through different prisms, or one particular phobia. Which I've already said is your right, I just have the right to disagree as well. Which we do all the time, so no big deal, just something to argue about while TV is slow. I still love you man.
 
Gavinmad

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Vvoid_sl said:
And so we're clear, I've said many times before that if they had just spent 15 seconds showing Superman attempting to flee Metropolis, only to have Zod say nope and smash some buildings until he came back, it would have been a thousand times better in that regard. They didn't have him do it though, and that is pretty much the thing that everyone hinges their complaints on, so I'll admit they fucked up. And Avengers was a vastly better movie in almost all regards. I just think you're choosing to view the two movies through different prisms, or one particular phobia. Which I've already said is your right, I just have the right to disagree as well. Which we do all the time, so no big deal, just something to argue about while TV is slow. I still love you man.
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Or maybe, since this is basically an origin story, the destruction of Metropolis serves as his lesson for the future.
 
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Gavinmad_sl said:
Or maybe, since this is basically an origin story, the destruction of Metropolis serves as his lesson for the future.
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Very good point. Unfortunately, pretty much no one is capable of separating the Superman we already know from this Superman, so we already assume he should have those thoughts. I didn't even think of it the way you put it, and I liked the movie. Hopefully you are correct and they actually address it when, supposedly, Batman confronts him about it.
 
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Xarpolis_sl said:
Let's see what they actually come up with before we draw some conclusions about shrinking to dodge a punch. I'd wager that doesn't happen at all, but time will tell.
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Ohhhh man new 'teaser' teaser shows prison fight scene... odds on him shrinking to avoid punches getting better and better LOL
 
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