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Foggy · Nov 30, 2024

Caliane said:
another colossal fuck up.

Echo goes to an alt reality where vi died in season 1 epi1 explosion... and everything is perfect. powder is sane. Silco and Vander make peace. Zaun and piltover are united... no hextech or shimmer... did they not realize what they were saying here? It's all vi's fault and the world is provably better off without her.. this clearly would have been better if that history had its own problems and echo could have left a gift to help them before returning home. Like maybe noxus was in charge, and oppressive.. And he inspires powder with stories of vi and jinx to rebel. maybe shimmer is threating the world with no counterpoint.

but then yes. this also carries on to viktor's perfect world.. uh we saw one. it really undermines that whole deal. maybe he should have read echo's mind faster and saw that world. would have solved all his problems. "oh, I just need to let vi die to have my perfect world? oh thats easy."

VI’s death wasn’t the huge impactful event that changed the alt world so much. Silco found Vander’s letter in the alt world, and they worked together to improve Zaun instead of fighting. Vi’s death was largely irrelevant.

Caliane · Nov 30, 2024

Foggy said:
VI’s death wasn’t the huge impactful event that changed the alt world so much. Silco found Vander’s letter in the alt world, and they worked together to improve Zaun instead of fighting. Vi’s death was largely irrelevant.

can't be that. the world is exactly the same up to the point of Vi dying. if silco was working with vander, and Zaun was already improved, then Vi/powder/clangor/and whats his face would not have poor, desperate and going on RAIDS to steal stuff from piltover.
we have to imagine Vi's death was 100% the spark. a dead zaunite child in an explosion. We never see Jayce, but we know hextech was not invented. in fact the lab was left AS IS.
Jayce probably also died in the explosion or did kill himself with the weight of Vi's death in addition to the rest. or was exiled/banned again due to Vi dying. We have to assume Vi's death brought Zaun together, and piltover to the table to make amends.

s2 is pretty terribly written. but since they don't GO to jayce or victor for help making the zdrive. I have to assume jayce is dead as well. and heimerdinger just refuses to say it. could also add to the "jayce isn't coming" part. why not victor? harder to say. he also died from the disease at this point maybe?

Lumi · Nov 30, 2024

Caliane said:
another colossal fuck up.

Echo goes to an alt reality where vi died in season 1 epi1 explosion... and everything is perfect. powder is sane. Silco and Vander make peace. Zaun and piltover are united... no hextech or shimmer... did they not realize what they were saying here? It's all vi's fault and the world is provably better off without her.. this clearly would have been better if that history had its own problems and echo could have left a gift to help them before returning home. Like maybe noxus was in charge, and oppressive.. And he inspires powder with stories of vi and jinx to rebel. maybe shimmer is threating the world with no counterpoint.

but then yes. this also carries on to viktor's perfect world.. uh we saw one. it really undermines that whole deal. maybe he should have read echo's mind faster and saw that world. would have solved all his problems. "oh, I just need to let vi die to have my perfect world? oh thats easy."

I mean there's a million of others things that could have happened to result in the world being that way aside from Vi having died so you're kinda reaching there in thinking that it was just that single event that resulted in the world being the way it was.

BoozeCube · Nov 30, 2024

So the story missing some important beats due to it being cut short seems to be a pretty universal complaint in general. The part I find more surprising is how many seem to hate the sound track overall. Aside from the Imagine Dragons dogshit most of the songs seemed to fit well with the story and a couple I thought were really good like this one.

velk · Dec 1, 2024

BoozeCube said:
So the story missing some important beats due to it being cut short seems to be a pretty universal complaint in general. The part I find more surprising is how many seem to hate the sound track overall. Aside from the Imagine Dragons dogshit most of the songs seemed to fit well with the story and a couple I thought were really good like this one.

Do people actually hate the sound track ? I have only seen specific complaints about the title music, and I agree on that one - it's the only thing I didn't like about S1.

Burns · Dec 1, 2024

velk said:
Do people actually hate the sound track ? I have only seen specific complaints about the title music, and I agree on that one - it's the only thing I didn't like about S1.

I've heard worse and at least it's not modern country pop shit, but it's not something I wanted to listen too for more than 10 seconds.

Chris · Dec 1, 2024

Lumi said:
I mean there's a million of others things that could have happened to result in the world being that way aside from Vi having died so you're kinda reaching there in thinking that it was just that single event that resulted in the world being the way it was.

Caliane is right. Thematically it's clearly Vi dying being the change, that's the only thing they focused on. IRL of course it's more complex, but this is a story.

On the Piltover side, it's the difference between Jayce being allowed to go free and finish Hextech in secret, and being locked up for causing a child to die. No Hextech.

On the Zaun side it's less clear, but the police going after Vi was an early source of conflict and without that there's no need for Power to accidentally blow things up. Vander I guess would have eventually gotten through to Silco, but he needed to live for that to happen.

I think it also ties into the ending, Jinx potentially gives up her life for Vi. Well the alternate reality shows she also gave up her life for Vi in a different way, because if she doesn't try to save Vi and lose her sanity, actually her life is good.

Foggy · Dec 1, 2024

Silco and Vander mending their relationship had to happen earlier than Vi’s death. The chemlords dont exist, or at least have no power, and shimmer seemingly doesn’t exist. Additionally, Silco’s eye isn’t nearly as fucked up looking even as the first 3 episodes. Vi’s death just stops hextech because Jayce is either in jail/banished/dead.

Caliane · Dec 1, 2024

The efap vids are good as usual. picking out things I even overlooked the first time.

I don't understand how the writers that made Markus, greyson, etc, could also make Isha.

how does isha get made? shes a plot device and nothing more. look at markus in s1 and see how much characterization was put into him. motivations, daughter, feelings on undercity etc. minor character, but we know so much about him, and he is well flushed out.
same with claggor and mylo.

it can't be the same people involved can it? someone must have left the studio.. or something..

Caliane · Dec 1, 2024

Foggy said:
Silco and Vander mending their relationship had to happen earlier than Vi’s death. The chemlords dont exist, or at least have no power, and shimmer seemingly doesn’t exist. Additionally, Silco’s eye isn’t nearly as fucked up looking even as the first 3 episodes. Vi’s death just stops hextech because Jayce is either in jail/banished/dead.

its about 7 years from s1 episode 1, to "now".

if silco is not funding singed in those 7 years, shimmer as we know it probably doesn't exist either.
just a regular dead/blind eye, opposed to whatever is going on with the shimmer drops.

we don't know the chem barons don't exist. they existed pre shimmer as well. its just their roles have changed presumably. and again 7 years is long enough for quite a bit of change.

the setup for vi and the gang to be raiding a piltover lab, requires the world to be setup exactly the same up until that point.

Daidraco · Dec 1, 2024

Reading the lore you nerds are talking, and theory crafting about... just makes me real fucking sad that the League MMO isnt anywhere near completion, or possibly even being worked on. I sorely miss an interesting world.

Lumi · Dec 2, 2024

velk said:
Do people actually hate the sound track ? I have only seen specific complaints about the title music, and I agree on that one - it's the only thing I didn't like about S1.

A few on here have said they hated the music but most people who don't have complete shit taste in music enjoyed most of it. There are several very good songs and they get bonus points for making actual original tracks which is pretty insane.

Xevy · Dec 2, 2024

velk said:
Do people actually hate the sound track ? I have only seen specific complaints about the title music, and I agree on that one - it's the only thing I didn't like about S1.

The average age of this forum is like 49 years old.

Penance · Dec 3, 2024

The tracks as a standalone song aren't horrible but the way they use them in the show is over produced garbage. Not every moment needs a sound track.

goishen · Dec 10, 2024

Is there anyone else that thinks that this season is absolute dogshit? Pointless melodrama, by the end of episode 5 or 6, you don't even know the state of the world anymore? I mean, I sat there and watched it, and I was simply blown away by how bad the world building is.

The first season? The rich vs. the poor. Okay, I can follow that. This season? Heh.

I dunno, I'm just looking for anybody else who agrees with me, to find out if I'm crazy or not.

Chris · Dec 10, 2024

goishen said:
Is there anyone else that thinks that this season is absolute dogshit? Pointless melodrama, by the end of episode 5 or 6, you don't even know the state of the world anymore? I mean, I sat there and watched it, and I was simply blown away by how bad the world building is.

The first season? The rich vs. the poor. Okay, I can follow that. This season? Heh.

I dunno, I'm just looking for anybody else who agrees with me, to find out if I'm crazy or not.

The theme wasn't as tight, you are right.

Didn't need another storyline where everyone is "dead" and it needs reversing by one survivor killing the bad guy.

ShakyJake · Dec 12, 2024

Is this series over? TVDB has marked it as 'ended'. And if it is, what a bizarre way to end the series.

italica · Dec 12, 2024

ShakyJake said:
Is this series over? TVDB has marked it as 'ended'. And if it is, what a bizarre way to end the series.

I believe "Arcane" is done. Was only planned to be 2 seasons. They've talked about having plans for 3 more shows, taking place in different locations with different characters.
Noxus generally assumed to be next.

Big Phoenix · Dec 12, 2024

goishen said:
Is there anyone else that thinks that this season is absolute dogshit? Pointless melodrama, by the end of episode 5 or 6, you don't even know the state of the world anymore? I mean, I sat there and watched it, and I was simply blown away by how bad the world building is.

The first season? The rich vs. the poor. Okay, I can follow that. This season? Heh.

I dunno, I'm just looking for anybody else who agrees with me, to find out if I'm crazy or not.

Anything that involves "multiverse" is automatic dog shit.

Caliane · Dec 12, 2024

goishen said:
Is there anyone else that thinks that this season is absolute dogshit? Pointless melodrama, by the end of episode 5 or 6, you don't even know the state of the world anymore? I mean, I sat there and watched it, and I was simply blown away by how bad the world building is.

The first season? The rich vs. the poor. Okay, I can follow that. This season? Heh.

I dunno, I'm just looking for anybody else who agrees with me, to find out if I'm crazy or not.

no everyone agrees. watch efap if you want 36 hours of people meticulously going over it. haha.

s2 isn't just bad. its bafflingly bad. There is no way the same writers were involved.

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