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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
Go here and give us your nominations!Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Lumi
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Ya that scene went surprisingly far. Was definitely a bit whoa wtf. I thought they were gonna cut it after showing Vi's back tattoo but nope it just kept going.
The song that played is pretty sick tho. One of my faves from the series.
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Daidraco
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I dont think any of the music is bad, really. Like that song goes well with the heat of the moment lust kind of thing that was happening at that moment. Regardless if I think its obnoxious to have cartoon characters fucking. Just personal preference, really. Though, I dont think Ive heard a single person that likes the Imagine Dragons intro lol.
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Yea I missed that. I was getting a bit tired at this point and was getting distracted. Very cool detail.
One of the least bad songs from this series which isn't saying much.
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I didn't like the song that was in French or the one with some modern tech words in it (can't recall, it was telephone or something). Broke suspension of disbelief.
My other favourite from S1 was this one although I'm a fan of Pvris anyway:
My other favourite from S1 was this one although I'm a fan of Pvris anyway:
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The song seemed a little out of place at first but I thought it actually ended up fitting really well with the slow FPS dance sequence and it has become my favorite song of the entire series. The song was created specifically for that scene and the lyrical translation fits perfectly. Dynasties and Dystopias and Sucker are the next best songs IMO. Lots of good music from the series in general.
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Chris
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YouTube algorithm started showing me the performances and music videos for LoL Worlds after some of the links in this thread.
What the fuck, they have a stadium full of people watching one set of games, a live gig and what looks like the Arcane animators making music videos.
So now I'm listening to this new Linkin Park song they had this year and it's really good.
They are burning their money with way more style than Blizzard ever did.
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so doing the high seas.
episode 1 thoughts.
ep2.
ep3.
ep4.
ep5.
ep7
ep8
ep9
episode 1 thoughts.
plot armor is rough. I expected mel to live.. but to be severely injured. it would justify her mother grabbing power. not. .just nothing. best we get is jayce questioning how lucky he was, while victor was injured.
then we get chem tech assassins, who's strength goes from superspeed/insta kill, to wasting time and totally failing to kill jayce or vi. dude threating mel, and just not shooting her.
vi drunk.. and just random patrol comes across her to give her a pep talk. ffs... s1 was far far better with stupid bs coincedences.
thought the drunk was going to be a random graves cameo.
I don't know why jayce would go anywhere without his forcefield. especially after the rocket.
then we get chem tech assassins, who's strength goes from superspeed/insta kill, to wasting time and totally failing to kill jayce or vi. dude threating mel, and just not shooting her.
vi drunk.. and just random patrol comes across her to give her a pep talk. ffs... s1 was far far better with stupid bs coincedences.
thought the drunk was going to be a random graves cameo.
I don't know why jayce would go anywhere without his forcefield. especially after the rocket.
ep2.
the music video opening is a rough choice. its a quick showing of chem barons and gangs viaing for control of zaun. ok. and it ties into jinx's narration/pov... eh..
I think a problem here is they didn't REALLY tie jinx to music. like yes, she has played music before. has had her music video. but they really should have had her focusing on music, there are bits of it. but I think it should have been more explicit.
squadforce5 go to vi/jinx old home,gas it and barge in... and create a situation where jinx has a better view, and ambush then THEY do. what stupidity is this?
behold the glorious evolution!
I think a problem here is they didn't REALLY tie jinx to music. like yes, she has played music before. has had her music video. but they really should have had her focusing on music, there are bits of it. but I think it should have been more explicit.
squadforce5 go to vi/jinx old home,gas it and barge in... and create a situation where jinx has a better view, and ambush then THEY do. what stupidity is this?
behold the glorious evolution!
ep3.
oh . black rose cabal/leblanc was not expecting that.
ha. and janna shrine.
"poisoning the air" yeah, that is a really weird choice for Caitlyn. don't see how that achieves their goals at all.
team walks into another ambush. they are really bad at this.
that they didn't feel the need to give a flashback to Vi/jayce and the kid getting killed was interesting. trusted you to remember why vi would not be ok with it.
ha. and janna shrine.
"poisoning the air" yeah, that is a really weird choice for Caitlyn. don't see how that achieves their goals at all.
team walks into another ambush. they are really bad at this.
that they didn't feel the need to give a flashback to Vi/jayce and the kid getting killed was interesting. trusted you to remember why vi would not be ok with it.
ep4.
I feel like time and scene skipping is becoming a problem. where is jayce, how long has he been missing? mel? how much time has passed? its hurting the story, cause we don't know how long things are, or answers to stuff like that.
riots, and jinx becoming a martyr. what are the firelights doing during all this?
cait shacking up with the other chick is a bizarre choice. major breach of ethics.
going all in on this mute kid too..
and ok, do establish jayce and mel ARE missing at least..
ooph, thers like no way the could make vander remembering anything pay off well. best scenario now I can see is mirroring jinx/vi. "kill me". jinx going to have to kill him, in the same way she wanted vi to kill her.
riots, and jinx becoming a martyr. what are the firelights doing during all this?
cait shacking up with the other chick is a bizarre choice. major breach of ethics.
going all in on this mute kid too..
and ok, do establish jayce and mel ARE missing at least..
ooph, thers like no way the could make vander remembering anything pay off well. best scenario now I can see is mirroring jinx/vi. "kill me". jinx going to have to kill him, in the same way she wanted vi to kill her.
ep5.
not much to say here. expected mel to be the iron solari with light magic. will we get a flashback to show thats how mel survived the rocket? it would have been better with more hints in epi1 then.
not sure if skye is going to be fake or not.
and already stated, not a fan of this direction for vander/vi/jinx.
not sure if skye is going to be fake or not.
and already stated, not a fan of this direction for vander/vi/jinx.
ep7
lol. vi's plot armor and not dying in that ep1 explosion was a criticism. is it possible this was a reaction to that?
also yeah. lol holy shit at the hiermerdinger singing.
not considering the implications of overwriting this alt reality's echo is pretty dark...
and on that topic.. implying the the entire world would have been better off with VI dead is pretty lulz.. I don't think that was quite the message they intended.
also yeah. lol holy shit at the hiermerdinger singing.
not considering the implications of overwriting this alt reality's echo is pretty dark...
and on that topic.. implying the the entire world would have been better off with VI dead is pretty lulz.. I don't think that was quite the message they intended.
ep8
"why would the black rose need mel?" yeah, they should be able to kill her at any time. two options would have to be, they want to position mel and get mel on their side. and, to send a message. so likely not just about killing ambessa. its also about getting mel into her place.
wasn't sure if the commune people were all dead, or just comatose from viktors passing. I don't think they quite sold jayce's half madness. he had no real reason to blame victor for it directly. if anything, taking the infected hammer back, HES responsible. which will be really lame if thats what they go with. they just keep shitting on poor jayce.
nice to see alt reality echo didnt get erased, but himerdinger killed himself AND alt reality himmer? dark man.
I really don't get the mute kids purpose. what strange story beats.
oh, so they aren't dead and neither is viktor... odd.
oh right. I mean to comment on it back in the correct episode. why the fuck would VI not tell Caitlyn jinx was there? thats like... idiotic. Vi isn't that smart...but really? not being prepared to see jinx there would be massive liability if caitlyn reacted poorly.
The show skipping over a lot of shit is a problem again. so, mel and jayce come back. And there is like, no reaction. we don't see ambessa reacting to mel returning. Jayce returns, calls for a council meeting, INCLUDES zaunites, and we just have everyone in the chambers. no scene of them being called, the reaction, or arriving, and seeing how they react to each other. zembika reacting to being in the chambers for example.
dont they have better things to be doing besides sex in a prison cell? like a war...
wasn't sure if the commune people were all dead, or just comatose from viktors passing. I don't think they quite sold jayce's half madness. he had no real reason to blame victor for it directly. if anything, taking the infected hammer back, HES responsible. which will be really lame if thats what they go with. they just keep shitting on poor jayce.
nice to see alt reality echo didnt get erased, but himerdinger killed himself AND alt reality himmer? dark man.
I really don't get the mute kids purpose. what strange story beats.
oh, so they aren't dead and neither is viktor... odd.
oh right. I mean to comment on it back in the correct episode. why the fuck would VI not tell Caitlyn jinx was there? thats like... idiotic. Vi isn't that smart...but really? not being prepared to see jinx there would be massive liability if caitlyn reacted poorly.
The show skipping over a lot of shit is a problem again. so, mel and jayce come back. And there is like, no reaction. we don't see ambessa reacting to mel returning. Jayce returns, calls for a council meeting, INCLUDES zaunites, and we just have everyone in the chambers. no scene of them being called, the reaction, or arriving, and seeing how they react to each other. zembika reacting to being in the chambers for example.
dont they have better things to be doing besides sex in a prison cell? like a war...
ep9
off screen force fields. dumb dues ex machanias. this battle is lame. theres no tactics or planning.
we don't know enough about the black rose, their motivations, possibly leblanc, to have any emotion for any of that..
ok, and we get a bit of a cheat. jayce DID see viktor, and had information we didn't.
and uh.. what happened to the robot peoples souls at the end there?
not sure I like not Orianna being tied to Singed.
Demon crow confirmation is neat. they were around ambessa frequently, and mel when she was leaving the black rose. Swain and Leblanc are rivals. this could be another reason the black rose couldn't or didnt strike directly.
we don't know enough about the black rose, their motivations, possibly leblanc, to have any emotion for any of that..
ok, and we get a bit of a cheat. jayce DID see viktor, and had information we didn't.
and uh.. what happened to the robot peoples souls at the end there?
not sure I like not Orianna being tied to Singed.
Demon crow confirmation is neat. they were around ambessa frequently, and mel when she was leaving the black rose. Swain and Leblanc are rivals. this could be another reason the black rose couldn't or didnt strike directly.
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Caliane
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final thoughts is a big step down. visually pretty good. maybe I missed some symmetry and visual connections. I'd have to rewatch to see if there were things I missed.
I think the pacing was rough. I think this one really fell short in explaining motivations for anyone or anything. no ones plans or actions made any sense really. too many coincidences.
didnt like ANY of the vander stuff. introduction and such a focus on Black rose I think was terrible. huge part of the story.. but they come out of nowhere, we know nothing about them.
I would have liked to see vi and cait get a real chance to be heroes. Caits best is just setting up mel.. vi.. gets nothing really. Hugging vander is basically her only real win.
lots of references. usually Im ok with them. I'm not sure they helped, when the main story was so rough.
oh godi forgot about the kid. what even the hell was that?
I think the pacing was rough. I think this one really fell short in explaining motivations for anyone or anything. no ones plans or actions made any sense really. too many coincidences.
didnt like ANY of the vander stuff. introduction and such a focus on Black rose I think was terrible. huge part of the story.. but they come out of nowhere, we know nothing about them.
I would have liked to see vi and cait get a real chance to be heroes. Caits best is just setting up mel.. vi.. gets nothing really. Hugging vander is basically her only real win.
lots of references. usually Im ok with them. I'm not sure they helped, when the main story was so rough.
oh godi forgot about the kid. what even the hell was that?
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I mean they did they best they could but when you cut 3 seasons out the story is gonna suffer for it. There are so many things they never got to flesh out in any meaningful way that were important not only to the story itself but the overall tone. Of course if you aren't careful
Lumi
is gonna lose his shit that you aren't giving everything a 10/10.
Lumi
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You're a dumbass, I even said myself it had some issues and isn't 10/10 and I'd say it was a solid 8/10 tho and had a lot of epic moments. Also the fact that they made a bunch of really good original music pieces specifically for the show is incredible. Not a perfect show but sure as hell better than shit like LOTR.I mean they did they best they could but when you cut 3 seasons out the story is gonna suffer for it. There are so many things they never got to flesh out in any meaningful way that were important not only to the story itself but the overall tone. Of course if you aren't careful
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How much air time did the illogical lesbian subplot get?I mean they did they best they could but when you cut 3 seasons out the story is gonna suffer for it. There are so many things they never got to flesh out in any meaningful way that were important not only to the story itself but the overall tone. Of course if you aren't careful
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no one has any coherent plans. lets flood the undercity with toxic gas=cait. why? how does that achieve her goals? heck they raid houses and THEIR vision and breathing is more restricted then the locals. it actively hurts their own methods. try to follow ambessa's logic for council, forming a local army, then just giving up on that and instead raiding the city with boats and a robot army. same with viktors plans.
was the entirety of foreshadowing in s2 easter eggs? teemo hat, demoncrows, etc? was there anything actually plot relevant? nothing like, "the boy didn't even haggle"
like the closest to that was mel's gold.. but that was foreshadowed in s1 not s2.. s2 seemingly intentionally hid it from us.
It did this with jayce as well. hid key information from us so it could reveal it in a flashback. it can work(a character knowing things we don't).. didn't work here.
consider all the lost drama and emotion we could have had with Mel, as SHE noticed some magic BS occurred to save her in the council chambers. She admits to it later. this is stuff s1 would have done. shown mel having scenes of "wtf? whats wrong with me?"
did ambessa have any pov shots? i think just the trade merchant assassin right? silco had tons of pov scenes with jinx, zembika, chem barons, etc. where he discussed and planned.
vander stuff was terrible. it sidelined the sisters to this lame b plot. it took VI out of the final real fight. Also, it puts vi/jinx together fighting vander, with mel/cait fighting ambessa. zaun/zaun, separated from piltover/piltover. no... cait and vi were the TEAM, zaun/piltover. they should have been working together, with jinx/mel pitching in.
was the entirety of foreshadowing in s2 easter eggs? teemo hat, demoncrows, etc? was there anything actually plot relevant? nothing like, "the boy didn't even haggle"
like the closest to that was mel's gold.. but that was foreshadowed in s1 not s2.. s2 seemingly intentionally hid it from us.
It did this with jayce as well. hid key information from us so it could reveal it in a flashback. it can work(a character knowing things we don't).. didn't work here.
consider all the lost drama and emotion we could have had with Mel, as SHE noticed some magic BS occurred to save her in the council chambers. She admits to it later. this is stuff s1 would have done. shown mel having scenes of "wtf? whats wrong with me?"
did ambessa have any pov shots? i think just the trade merchant assassin right? silco had tons of pov scenes with jinx, zembika, chem barons, etc. where he discussed and planned.
vander stuff was terrible. it sidelined the sisters to this lame b plot. it took VI out of the final real fight. Also, it puts vi/jinx together fighting vander, with mel/cait fighting ambessa. zaun/zaun, separated from piltover/piltover. no... cait and vi were the TEAM, zaun/piltover. they should have been working together, with jinx/mel pitching in.
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I mean, it could have been worse. Jayce and Viktor could have been gay lovers. Imagine if they had a scene like Vi and Caitlyn? That would have tanked the show for a huge percentage of the audience, alone.
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another colossal fuck up.
Echo goes to an alt reality where vi died in season 1 epi1 explosion... and everything is perfect. powder is sane. Silco and Vander make peace. Zaun and piltover are united... no hextech or shimmer... did they not realize what they were saying here? It's all vi's fault and the world is provably better off without her.. this clearly would have been better if that history had its own problems and echo could have left a gift to help them before returning home. Like maybe noxus was in charge, and oppressive.. And he inspires powder with stories of vi and jinx to rebel. maybe shimmer is threating the world with no counterpoint.
but then yes. this also carries on to viktor's perfect world.. uh we saw one. it really undermines that whole deal. maybe he should have read echo's mind faster and saw that world. would have solved all his problems. "oh, I just need to let vi die to have my perfect world? oh thats easy."
but then yes. this also carries on to viktor's perfect world.. uh we saw one. it really undermines that whole deal. maybe he should have read echo's mind faster and saw that world. would have solved all his problems. "oh, I just need to let vi die to have my perfect world? oh thats easy."