Arrow

haus_sl said:

The easy Pseudo-Science explanation of the pits would be that they are a natural source of the compound the Japanese were trying to synthesize as Mirakuru. Which would explain the capacity, and if it were the more pure and natural form the ability to bring back the recently deceased. He's been regularly bathing in the crap so that would explain Ra's near immortality, and him slowly going insane rather than quickly (as was the case with Slade).

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I like that theory. Would be a good route to go I think.

Harshaw_sl said:

Except Brick wasn't a metahuman on the Arrow TV show.

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And yet I wish that we got the metahuman comics version, that was mostly invulnerable to physical damage instead. I really wish they'd go the meta route. As Column said, pandora is out of the box after Flash made an appearance on the show.

He takes a fucking bullet to the head in the show. Diggle is a pretty crack shot so I doubt he missed at point blank range, so he hits the dude in the head and it glances off his skull. The dude is a metahuman. He may not be as strong/tough as he is in the comics/cartoons, but he's not a normal human by any stretch of the imagination.

It was a graze. It wasn't a full shot to the head.

Lyrical_sl said:

And yet I wish that we got the metahuman comics version, that was mostly invulnerable to physical damage instead. I really wish they'd go the meta route. As Column said, pandora is out of the box after Flash made an appearance on the show.

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Thats one of the reason I like flash so much more atm, they arent half assing stuff like the Lazarus pit/Ollie ect, they are going all out giving us Reverse flash, Rogues, and really tough characters like Grodd

Harshaw_sl said:

It was a graze. It wasn't a full shot to the head.

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As I said, Diggle is a pretty good shot so I seriously doubt he would have only grazed that giant ass watermelon of a head at such a close range. Looked like it deflected off his skull instead of penetrating.

Tarrant_sl said:

Yet a boxer fucked him up in the first part of their brief fight and then arrows had no problem penetrating him.

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Arrows and knives can go through the same bulletproof vests that stop bullets cold.


Anyway the whole plot with Brick really seems to me like maybe they had plans to explain why he was so tough, but then someone took a look at it and said no no, we cant have that in Arrow, so they cut it out and replaced it with whatever. It's still a moot point what exactly Brick was though, because Deathbolt is coming along in a month and a half or so.

there are superhumans and then there are regular badasses in a world of superhumans. we all agree thor, hulk and captain america are superhumans? right? black widow and the archer guy are supposed to be non mutated humans, right? yet they can do shit no human being in a non superhuman world can do. its the same with oliver and brick. oliver is a badass beyond what any normal human can do, if he was faced off against just normal human badasses he would kick all their asses within 5 minutes. this is what they tried to do in the first half of season one of arrow and that sucked. it only got more interesting when he met up with people that were more his own match or even stronger so as to give him a challenge to overcome.

lets say on the normal human scale of 1-10 that arrow is an 11. somebody like brick is a 15 and merlyn is probably at a 12 or 13. mirakuru slade being a 20 and non MK slade is sitting at a 12. they are not meta humans but they are definitely not on a scale we can relate to

I always lag a day or two behind on Flash and Arrow because of my work schedule, so when I saw this thread blowing up last night/today I thought something amazing must have happened during this episode and there was some great discussion going on about it.

Anyway, someone asked earlier (before all the faggotry) why Merlin keeps trying to get Oliver to do his dirty work. I think the whole point with Merlin is that he's a survivor, and no matter how much he might claim to care about certain people or things, when it comes down to it, his only concern is staying alive through whatever means necessary. He knows he probably can't defeat Ra's himself, so he's going to do everything he can to simultaneously avoid that confrontation while throwing expendables at Ra's in the hopes that something works.

As for the flashbacks, I like the China White/Omega storyline, but I thought it was kind of silly that he happened to sorta-cross paths with Felicity and Diggle long before he actually teamed up with them. It seemed like a hamfisted attempt at giving the actors some screen time. I actually liked the Laurel/Tommy stuff, though.

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Well, how old is merlyn supposed to be then? Because in his flashback, didn't they show about a 12 year old ras when he first got to the league? Does the pit turn him into a child again?

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That was a young Nyssa. She's the one who named him the Magician after he did his little coin trick on her. If anything, that supports the idea of Ra's being ageless due to Lazarus Pit use.

Hoss_sl said:

Well, how old is merlyn supposed to be then? Because in his flashback, didn't they show about a 12 year old ras when he first got to the league? Does the pit turn him into a child again?

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You mean the child who named him Al Saher? That was Nyssa, not Ra's.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

lets say on the normal human scale of 1-10 that arrow is an 11. somebody like brick is a 15 and merlyn is probably at a 12 or 13. mirakuru slade being a 20 and non MK slade is sitting at a 12. they are not meta humans but they are definitely not on a scale we can relate to

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Why do people seem to think Merlyn is superior to Oliver? Ever since he ended up beating him in season 1, Olie's beat ass multiple times without too much trouble.

Yeah I think the only reason Merlyn punked Oliver so bad in Season 1 is because Oliver was expecting just some copycat chump, not an equal fighter.

Also, no way is Slade a 12 out of 10 on that scale, what kind of a retard would even think that?

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rofl I just thought up a way they could bring Sara back. Run the Flashpoint plot on The Flash, either while Arrow is on break or with some Arrow episodes that match the new fucked up continuity. Then after Barry goes back and fixes it all, have one of the minor changes be that Laurel died.

YEaaaaaaah. If nothing else, they could switch Sara and Laurel being alive for the duration of the Flashpoint episodes, would be pretty cool. If they did that. And a big old in your face retcon would be such a DC thing to do too.

Gavinmad_sl said:

Yeah I think the only reason Merlyn punked Oliver so bad in Season 1 is because Oliver was expecting just some copycat chump, not an equal fighter.

Also, no way is Slade a 12 out of 10 on that scale, what kind of a retard would even think that?

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slade is superior to ollie, but he does not have merlyn's years of LoA training. keep in mind oliver needs merlyn to train him how to beat Ras. Slade taught oliver. both would be considered to be oliver's masters. oliver got punked by slade this week. Brick while not being a trained fighter in the same sense as the others, he wins in pure strength and stamina. If i had to gauge ras, i would say he is at a 16-17 just from what was shown of him. that number may change. we havent seen enough of ras to be sure where he is at.

Oliver didn't get punked by Slade, he got punked by having to push Thea out of the way of his own booby trap. Training someone doesn't mean you're a better fighter than them, it simply means you potentially have an insight into the way they think.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess the reason Oliver needs training from Merlyn is because he doesn't know how to fight with a fucking sword, which is why Ra's punked him so easily.

Gavinmad_sl said:

Oliver didn't get punked by Slade, he got punked by having to push Thea out of the way of his own booby trap. Training someone doesn't mean you're a better fighter than them, it simply means you potentially have an insight into the way they think.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess the reason Oliver needs training from Merlyn is because he doesn't know how to fight with a fucking sword, which is why Ra's punked him so easily.

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ok i see where we differ. i am gauging these guys on a scale of where they currently sit while you are talking about their potential. oliver finishes his merlyn training and defeats ras, that would elevate his ranking obviously. from an 11 to a 13 or 14 maybe higher because ras is supposed to be an ultimate killing machine. BTW i set MK slade at 20 because i think thats where metahumans start to rank. if i had to gauge where Barry is i would say he is at a 24-25 with an unlimited potential. the other badasses on this show. i give sarah an 11, wildcat a 10 (yes i know he is hella badass in the comics). arsenal 10.2, thea 10.5, laurel 5-6, diggle 8-9 and felicity a 3.

feel free to disagree and edit my scaling.

black widow and the archer guy are supposed to be non mutated humans, right? yet they can do shit no human being in a non superhuman world can do.

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Black Widow isn't a mutant (Homo sapiens sapiens), and neither is Captain America

They were both part of the super serum experimentation tho. Black widow also ages very slowly.

The Black Widow has been enhanced by biotechnology that makes her body resistant to aging and disease and heals at an above human rate;[51] as well as psychological conditioning that suppresses her memory of true events as opposed to implanted ones of the past without the aid of specially designed system suppressant drugs.

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Oliver is like Batman, he has no powers.

I have Merlyn, Slade, and Ollie at the same for now, if he wasnt insane he would beat Ollie. In the comics Slade is by far more powerful, not even funny