Autonomous Systems

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BrutulTM

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The German automaker believes that adding autonomous features to heavy-duty trucks can transform long-haul trucking, relieving driver stress, improving safety and potentially alleviating a chronic industry driver shortage.

Think how much less stress they're going to feel when they are unemployed and sitting on the couch at home!

That said, farmers who use auto steer say that it really takes the fatigue factor out of driving a tractor. When you're steering yourself, you have to be constantly watching over your shoulder and making small adjustments to keep your rows straight and not miss anything, especially while spraying where you can't really see where you've been so you have to kind of guess where the end of your boom is in relation to the last pass. With auto steer I've heard guys say that they went from being able to farm for 8 hours and feel exhausted to going 16 hours straight and having it be no big deal.
 

Burnem Wizfyre

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When vehicles are autonomous do all the people who claim truck drivers will be unemployed think crime will be extinct? You're going to need someone in the cab, truck drivers will be security guards.

Find route, pick best spot, obstruct road in front and behind vehicle stops for you. That's not counting the possibility of hacking and having it deliver the goods right to you.
 

BrutulTM

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Think they'll ride horses next to it and jump across like train robberies in the old west? I don't really see hijacking automated trucks as a very smart crime since they are all going to be super computerized and covered with cameras and GPS tracking and shit. Maybe you could manage to rob it but it's hard to imagine getting away with it. Even with cell phones now it's harder to rob trucks than when you could just point a gun at the guy and he's not likely to want to die for whatever's in his truck.
 
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Ukerric

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You're going to need someone in the cab, truck drivers will be security guards.
Who needs a security guard? Just put another autonomous security system onboard

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Burnem Wizfyre

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Think they'll ride horses next to it and jump across like train robberies in the old west? I don't really see hijacking automated trucks as a very smart crime since they are all going to be super computerized and covered with cameras and GPS tracking and shit. Maybe you could manage to rob it but it's hard to imagine getting away with it. Even with cell phones now it's harder to rob trucks than when you could just point a gun at the guy and he's not likely to want to die for whatever's in his truck.

No one said hijack, Wal-Mart trucks have been broken into and had the entire contents removed in 10 minutes while sitting in the Wal-Mart parking lot in my area several times. Much easier to do it on the highway at 3 am, shit might be quicker to just steal the trailer and leave the rig.
 

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So, what's great and crazy about Tesla is they're trying to accomplish full scale autonomy without lidar, which is the foundational sensor for everyone else's perception. It's kind of like trying to be a raiding guild by using bards and rangers for tanking. Maybe it'll be as forward looking as having your rockets accomplish landings, but either way it'll be tough to get here.

One important thing about the video is that it was taken in excellent lighting conditions. It was a little rainy, sure, but for mono-cam work an overcast sky with heavily diffused lighting is ideal. Darkness sucks, of course, and bright sunlight can eviscerate your CV algorithms because it'll blind your camera, create dramatic shadows on everything you're trying to detect etc.

The guy running Tesla's autonomous division knows what a lidar can do and I'm pretty pumped to see if they're able to make it work with radar + mono-cams. My expectation is they'll lead the pack on vehicular CV, but once we get solid state lidar they'll adopt it and be in good shape.
 
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kegkilla

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I don't believe this is the case.
Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

The only thing the driver did wrong is not intervene when autopilot failed. Which is what people sign up to do, but nobody really expects drivers to pay attention. As supercruise systems like Tesla's autopilot increase over the next few years get used to regularly seeing people passed out in the driver's seat.

They're actually adding in-cabin cameras to watch people and wake them up if they aren't paying attention. This feature will go over as well as an alarm that sounds when your seatbelt isn't in.
Eh I find it hard to blame Tesla for the guy's death given the warnings they provide about using the autopilot and the fact that the program is still very experimental at this point. Dude should have been watching the road instead of jacking off or whatever the hell he was doing.
 

Mist

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I'm going to build an autonomous lawyer app for an autonomous vehicle that autonomously sues other drivers and/or other autonomous vehicles.
 

Xequecal

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If only vehicles today were occasionally made with defects, requiring massive settlements to include wrongful deaths. Good thing this never has happened or else we'd be forced to go back to horses and wagons because every car manufacturer would be bankrupt

Toyota had to pay out $1.2 billion over their sudden unintended acceleration defect. This killed 89 people. There were 35,000 fatal crashes in the US last year. Even if self-driving cars reduce that to 350, that's still almost $5 billion that they have to pay out every year.
 

ZyyzYzzy

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Toyota had to pay out $1.2 billion over their sudden unintended acceleration defect. This killed 89 people. There were 35,000 fatal crashes in the US last year. Even if self-driving cars reduce that to 350, that's still almost $5 billion that they have to pay out every year.
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Muurloen

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Toyota had to pay out $1.2 billion over their sudden unintended acceleration defect. This killed 89 people. There were 35,000 fatal crashes in the US last year. Even if self-driving cars reduce that to 350, that's still almost $5 billion that they have to pay out every year.
 
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khalid

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I thought the Toyota unintended acceleration shit was pretty much found to be user error?
 

Abefroman

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So, what's great and crazy about Tesla is they're trying to accomplish full scale autonomy without lidar, which is the foundational sensor for everyone else's perception. It's kind of like trying to be a raiding guild by using bards and rangers for tanking. Maybe it'll be as forward looking as having your rockets accomplish landings, but either way it'll be tough to get here.

One important thing about the video is that it was taken in excellent lighting conditions. It was a little rainy, sure, but for mono-cam work an overcast sky with heavily diffused lighting is ideal. Darkness sucks, of course, and bright sunlight can eviscerate your CV algorithms because it'll blind your camera, create dramatic shadows on everything you're trying to detect etc.

The guy running Tesla's autonomous division knows what a lidar can do and I'm pretty pumped to see if they're able to make it work with radar + mono-cams. My expectation is they'll lead the pack on vehicular CV, but once we get solid state lidar they'll adopt it and be in good shape.


I saw a lot of stops in that video where it appears the vehicle decided something was a little too close and played it safe. I see much trolling of autonomous vehicles in the future by pedestrians.
 

zzeris

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I think we may see some limited comercial versions of self driving cars that can handle highways but probably not city driving in 5-10 years but for ones where you don't need a driver at all is probably 25 ish years or so out. But who knows there are a lot of big companies dumping shitloads of cash into this and a lot of trucking logistics companies begging for it.

They already have 18 wheelers that can auto drive outside of cities. If you can get a beast vehicle like that to work, we aren't really that far off. I agree, 5-10 for interstate use, and 25 for completely autonomous. I actually can't wait so hope it's sooner.
 

ZyyzYzzy

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So, what's great and crazy about Tesla is they're trying to accomplish full scale autonomy without lidar, which is the foundational sensor for everyone else's perception. It's kind of like trying to be a raiding guild by using bards and rangers for tanking. Maybe it'll be as forward looking as having your rockets accomplish landings, but either way it'll be tough to get here.

One important thing about the video is that it was taken in excellent lighting conditions. It was a little rainy, sure, but for mono-cam work an overcast sky with heavily diffused lighting is ideal. Darkness sucks, of course, and bright sunlight can eviscerate your CV algorithms because it'll blind your camera, create dramatic shadows on everything you're trying to detect etc.

The guy running Tesla's autonomous division knows what a lidar can do and I'm pretty pumped to see if they're able to make it work with radar + mono-cams. My expectation is they'll lead the pack on vehicular CV, but once we get solid state lidar they'll adopt it and be in good shape.

Why is LIDAR required? Visually tracking anything in an environment with any modicum of complexity is extremely difficult (that's why flares worked so well on missles and aircraft) but as we progress I see no reason for LIDAR when it is possible to visually track everything in the environment and make inferences on future movements based on speeds, etc...
 

Lleauaric

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Hey. Maybe Trump will pass tort reform and open things up for corporations to try different things. This on its face sounds like the most ironic thing in the history of Irony... President Trump making it harder for people to sue, but seriously after this year... whatevers.. I would be full on MAGA if he was on board with sensible tort reform legislation that still kept governments and corporations liable but ended the paralyzing climate of litigation fear that we seem to live under where everyone is afraid to try anything new or risky.

I mean, shit is changing pretty rapidly. Autonomous cars are going to happen. Its too profitable NOT to happen. Think of it this way, something like 60% of men over 30 without a college degree drive something somewhere. Getting rid of the cost of drivers would mean billions of dollars.
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According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were approximately 1.6 million American truck drivers in 2014 earning a mean income of $42,000. That’s more than half a percent of the country, and $67 billion dollars in income – about 0.3% of the US GDP.

Self Driving Cars Endanger Millions of American Jobs (And That’s Okay)

 
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