Bandwagon's Drones Thread
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Vepil
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In my opinion its all according to the customer and how they plan to use the data. I would say anytime the product is going to survey construction or engineering community a NAD83 would be better since there is a greater chance of someone making a mistake converting the datum. Arcmap and Civil 3D when attaching data such as shapefiles will project to the current coordinate system the project is in so there is not as much a concern about the data being in WGS84. Those software's do a decent job of projecting the datum correctly.
I am very interested to see your results compared to a survey. The work you have been completing would be great for a Engineering company in an area where they cannot get GIS contour information to start a concept based on the elevation model you can provide much cheaper than a photogrammetrist or a survey company.
I am very interested to see your results compared to a survey. The work you have been completing would be great for a Engineering company in an area where they cannot get GIS contour information to start a concept based on the elevation model you can provide much cheaper than a photogrammetrist or a survey company.
Vepil
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Survey is very afraid of these advances in technology taking over jobs at least here in Georgia and the surrounding states are. The surveyors here let GIS get away from them as it was just a "fad" and never embraced nor tried to bring the GIS industry under their umbrella. They even let photogrammetry get away from them here as you do not need a PLS license to practice either. The same is happening with 3D laser scanning to a degree, and will happen with drone mapping.
If you were local to Atlanta I would let you do a job that we are doing so we could compare. My suggestion is to talk with them about letting you map a job they do and do a comparison. I know its hard to do a mapping project for free but it will get you started for comparing.
Does the software you use for tying down the data in your model allow for control points? Say an identifiable x painted at several locations the surveyors can accurate locate and then give you coordinates to move your data to their datum? This would let you get on the same datum and allow for a better comparison.
Example:
If you were local to Atlanta I would let you do a job that we are doing so we could compare. My suggestion is to talk with them about letting you map a job they do and do a comparison. I know its hard to do a mapping project for free but it will get you started for comparing.
Does the software you use for tying down the data in your model allow for control points? Say an identifiable x painted at several locations the surveyors can accurate locate and then give you coordinates to move your data to their datum? This would let you get on the same datum and allow for a better comparison.
Example:
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Considering that I don't really have an interest in directly competing with established surveyors, and would prefer to just subcontract through them, I'm hoping that I'm offering an appealing deal. Maybe they just want to pay us for a season and then get their own....I don't really care. I'll happily do a jobsite for free, if it's something they actually have set up...as long as they allow me to use the data for advertising, and as long as they actually share their end of the data (which is just the GCPs).Survey is very afraid of these advances in technology taking over jobs at least here in Georgia and the surrounding states are. The surveyors here let GIS get away from them as it was just a "fad" and never embraced nor tried to bring the GIS industry under their umbrella. They even let photogrammetry get away from them here as you do not need a PLS license to practice either. The same is happening with 3D laser scanning to a degree, and will happen with drone mapping.
If you were local to Atlanta I would let you do a job that we are doing so we could compare. My suggestion is to talk with them about letting you map a job they do and do a comparison. I know its hard to do a mapping project for free but it will get you started for comparing.
Does the software you use for tying down the data in your model allow for control points? Say an identifiable x painted at several locations the surveyors can accurate locate and then give you coordinates to move your data to their datum? This would let you get on the same datum and allow for a better comparison.
Example:
Yes, we do have the ability to process wit GCPs. For the cameras without onboard GPS, this is how I georeference the projects. Even if I don't need to use the GCPs for georeferencing, I use the targets for scaling constraints, since I know the dimensions.
Vepil and Picasso...I hope you subscribe to this thread and keep posting. I'm self-teaching all of this stuff, so it's nice to have people with experience offering feedback. I'd especially appreciate it if you call me on some bullshit, if you see it. I have a few examples of how surveys are presented, but no first hand experience.
It's exciting to me to see where we're headed. I'll be happy to share what I can about friendly formatting for design.
Sludig
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Havnt gotten around to finding reviews. But chinese ripped off chinese and made a cheaper version of the.... shit forget the name but the nice red Ready to fly racer that was like $700. Here for $300. Just mod it up to take goggles will still make it kinda pricey but seeing if I can swingle my dad into it since he liked his little 2 inch quad.
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Man, it's hard to keep myself from getting one of those. Eventually I'll have one for messing around with.
Do you guys know of a way to *easily* turn a vector (.kml) into a georeferenced raster? I use mapbox for our GCS basemap. It will display rasters on the tablet, but any vector files/markers/polygons etc won't display. It's really annoying.
I want to upload .kml files of jobsites to my mapbox basemap, which can then be downloaded on the tablets...but they won't display.
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That topographic representation/3d rendering looks sweet, I have to talk to my boss about getting something like that subcontracted/buy for some of our jobs that are decent sized. We do civil engineering survey etc. Being able to get good topographic data relatively quickly would help immensely, most of our jobs are 5 acres or less, we have one active job that was flown (70 acres) and the topographic data we got was within a 4 inches between two benchmarks.
This looks like it would work well..will look at the drone and software later in the morning...I am in mass so not close to you I believe or I'd try your service for an up coming subdivision we Should be building this year the topo was done ~30 years ago and I would like to have something better that doesn't tie up a survey crew for 4 days doing topo the hard way-site is heavily wooded and hilly~10acres . Got another job 100 acres that needs topo too that is relatively flat sloped.
This looks like it would work well..will look at the drone and software later in the morning...I am in mass so not close to you I believe or I'd try your service for an up coming subdivision we Should be building this year the topo was done ~30 years ago and I would like to have something better that doesn't tie up a survey crew for 4 days doing topo the hard way-site is heavily wooded and hilly~10acres . Got another job 100 acres that needs topo too that is relatively flat sloped.
we know of no-one in our area- boston area mostly-that does this sort of thing besides the traditional flyover stuff (which costs ~2 grand per job)
looked at that price for the solo and the camera- boss was like.. THAT'S IT?!
I went, well the software costs about 4 grand.. but total it would cost as much as one of our total stations.
my father- who is my boss - we've worked together since 1986ish- while out of practice- just needed some solo time and he'd have his pilot's licence
we both used to fly RC planes years ago (i haven't in 30 years - same for him basically)
looked at that price for the solo and the camera- boss was like.. THAT'S IT?!
I went, well the software costs about 4 grand.. but total it would cost as much as one of our total stations.
my father- who is my boss - we've worked together since 1986ish- while out of practice- just needed some solo time and he'd have his pilot's licence
we both used to fly RC planes years ago (i haven't in 30 years - same for him basically)
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Kolohe
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I feel like they'll have the Pilot's License thing sorted out by July. That's my guess, anyways.
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we use land development desktop 2006 which came with civil 3d pro 2006 since....civil 3d pro 2006SUCKED- we have had no need to upgrade as of yet. i cannot be more emphatic as to how badly it sucked. Boss is intrigued about the drone thing - which is good and bad.
I've heard a lot of people loved land desktop but it had a lot of issues with being dynamic. Civil3d has some bugs but once you get some of the features setup right it's solid. I miss it terribly, I've been in Microstation for 4 months now and Jesus christ this software in a nightmare.
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Answers to a few questions from PM-
We could probably fly the whole quarry now in about 9 minutes. it's 13acres.
Here is the flight log, which shows the flight path and time.This is actually really cool, if you guys haven't looked at these before. This is the telemetry log...the data flash logs have even more stored data.
693 pictures. It was probably about one picture every 3-4 seconds.
There was heavy wind that day and we did a little bit of fucking around trying to set up a shot of the drone, but it was about 25 minutes of flight time, with one battery swap and a 2nd stepped flight grid over just the quarry. This was with the Gopro4. With the mapping s100, the flight time would have been a little bit longer, but the ortho would have looked better. I'm not sure how well the S100 would have picked up the oblique details, though.Edit: Actually, I forgot that this was right after we set up the S100, so it wasn't with the GoPro4.
We could probably fly the whole quarry now in about 9 minutes. it's 13acres.
Here is the flight log, which shows the flight path and time.This is actually really cool, if you guys haven't looked at these before. This is the telemetry log...the data flash logs have even more stored data.
693 pictures. It was probably about one picture every 3-4 seconds.