Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)

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Lanx

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JGL could work to take up the cowl, if they want to do that, heck they could even explain that "he's" the worlds greatest detective since he figured out batman, it's a stretch, but whatever, and he'll have the batcave resources. recently 2 years ago dick grayson as nitewing, took up the cowl since batman was in some weird limbo after dying from being shot by darkseid.

but we don't see that happening, ppl expect batman to have only one name, bruce wayne. I guess the only story that makes sense, is wayne tech and luthor tech merge together after rebuilding metropolis or something, then the uncontrollable alien does his city destroying again(superman).
 

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but we don't see that happening, ppl expect batman to have only one name, bruce wayne. I guess the only story that makes sense, is wayne tech and luthor tech merge together after rebuilding metropolis or something, then the uncontrollable alien does his city destroying again(superman).
Given that Wayne enterprises was already easter egged in the movie I'd expect the next incarnation of batman to be wayne. No need for another origin story that way, or if there was one maybe it'd be a dream sequence about his parents getting shot or something. More likely scenario is that they address it quickly and with one sentence or something like Marvel did when they made the switch from Howard to Cheadle in IM. Have Alfred say something like 'is there something different about you today Mr. Wayne?" and whoever the new bats is says "yeah I lost weight" or some shit.
 

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I have never been a Batman fan at all, but have enjoyed many of the various movies about him even still. As an actual comic book character though, Batman has never once interested me. Part of that is that I was way into Marvel as a kid, and DC sucked (which meant I didn't like Superman much either), but part of it was that he just wasn't anything "special". Iron Man never thrilled me in the comics either. I always wanted true "super" beings, not guys that were super smart or super rich or both. They just never seemed the same to me.

That being said, I am completely fine with them being put into a well-made movie and doing their thing. I enjoyed most of the Batman movies and all of the Iron Man movies, because they were fairly interesting in their own right. Even Avengers made good use of Iron Man.

I'm also somewhat forgiving of someone like Iron Man because his entire schtick is that he created this suit that allows him to compete with the other powerhouse beings in his world. He's worked on it for years and years, perfecting it, improving it. In theory, Batman could probably invent a suit just like Iron Man's which allows him to withstand punches from people like Superman, but they'd have him whip it up in a weekend. And if he can do something like that at the drop of a hat, why doesn't he just fucking wear that suit all the time then? It sure would be nice not to have to worry about mundane criminals anymore if you can throw together a suit like that before breakfast. Even if it took him a year to build, why wouldn't he? If I had the mythical powers of Batman, the first time someone like Bane (or better) punched me in the face and I realized how much it fucking hurt, I'd be all over a super suit. Other "self-made" superheroes you can give them the out that they aren't smart enough or rich enough to be capable of creating such a suit, but Batman sure the hell can...so why doesn't he? Why does he only bring that shit out when Superman needs to be taken down a peg?

Obviously it all comes down to writers/plot devices, and I'm not bringing up any new points. But that's what has always bothered me about Batman. Is he only good enough to beat a given opponent at that set point in time? If he's so prepared, why isn't he just a fucking god at all times? Why does someone like Bane even get the chance to break his back? By the time Bane showed up (in the comics), Batman had been beaten silly by hundreds of super-strong villains, so someone that goddamn prepared should have learned something from all those beatings and just laughed at Bane from within his form-fitting, flexible, and still stylish adamantium-vibranium-unobtanium alloy suit. But he never fucking does!

And that's why it kills me that all these fans and writers expect us to believe that Batman is capable of taking down anyone, at any time. Well sure maybe he could, but if Superman really wanted to he could just incinerate Batman from 10 miles up too. It has always bothered me that Batman seemed to play down to whatever opponent he was facing instead of being this true fucking badass we're being told he really is. If you're going to be that adaptable and smart and prepared...how about preparing some shit *before* you get your ass beat a couple of times?

I am skeptical of this movie simply because there will be some contrived scenario where Batman can actually compete with Superman, whether it be Kryptonite (please no), or Superman just not wanting to hurt him, whatever. I have very little faith that the story that will bring them together and allow them to compete as equals will be believable. And as someone said above, I have very little faith that whomever they get to play Batman will carry enough weight to make us forget Bale.

I suppose this means Lyrical and I can't be friends again
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Kreugen

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Nolan's Robin would be a terrible Batman because he has none of the anger that makes Batman Batman. Oh, you're an orphan, how cute. Did you see your parents murdered in front of you?

Sure, he could still have Fox and Wayne Enterprises behind him, and they could do a training montage starring the back of some guy's head as Bruce Wayne. But a vigilante whose only comfort is beating criminals faces in? I don't see it.
 

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Nolan's Robin doesn't have that much backstory, but Robin and Bruce acknowledged each other's plight when Robin exposed Bruce at Wayne Manor, there was plenty of anger in that scene. The transition of getting to know how Robin becomes Batman (through Wayne's tutelage) could be a good tie in to Wayne's detective skills, Robin's progression, and the discovery of how to contain or control the "Superman." I can dream right?
 

Kreugen

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I suppose they could just drop Batman in with a new actor without yet another telling of the backstory and roughtly fit it within the Nolan continuity because that's what audience know, and just be like Man of Steel with its "whatever, you already know the basic idea, here's some explosions and shit" storytelling. Which I don't criticize - for fucks sake we just had ten seasons of Smallville covering that shit. Man of Steel gave us the HOLY AWESOME version of Kypton and then skipped ahead to everything else.

I still think in order to have Batman alongside Superman in a plausible way, even this more grounded Superman, would be to go the power-armor route. Audiences would not give a flying shit. Modern day Batman should be using cybernetics. Man of Steel's Faeora vs Nolan's Batman - if that right there doesn't make you laugh your balls off...

Yeah, the more I think about it, there's just no fucking way they'll bring in JLA because Nolan's Batman just does not even come close to working alongside even the reigned-in powers of Superman in Man of Steel. In fact, the whole movie just sounds absurd.
 

Malakriss

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Real non-fanmade movies will never be like that again, Arbitrary. Don't get your hopes up.
 

Arbitrary

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I've always thought of that trailer as the conclusion to the Adam West series. Goddamn that guy playing Superman looks fuckingperfect.

And hey, there are always retarded star vehicles, art pieces, vanity films, and independent projects getting made. I can't see a major studio ever going and green lighting a gigantic blowjob to the 70's tv show Robin but who knows what the future might bring!
 

j00t

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batman doesn't wear a giant ironbatsuit because it is contrary to who he is. stark believes that he needs to wear a suit to compete with the other supers in his world. batman believes that justice doesn't need to be enforced by a super. in fact, he would rather it wasn't. that's why he's ALWAYS so reluctant to help out the justice league. it's not because he's too busy doing his own thing... it's that he doesn't want to join a club full of metas that go around doling out their own version of justice.

also, and maybe this is my own personal view of batman... he's a reaction. he is a person that reacted to a tragic event. how can batman fight darkseid and come out unscathed but then get his back broken by someone like bane? he reacts to individuals. when bane broke his back, he was a new character. he came in pretty much out of nowhere and took batman very much by surprise and without giving batman the chance to react, broke his back. but batman can fight darkseid because by that time, everyone knew who darkseid was. batman had plenty of time to analyze him.

so again, how can someone like darkseid miss his omega sanction on batman but bane can still take him out? from my perspective, it's simply because he fights everyone differently because he's reacting to that individual. he's not going to go, okay, i'm going to reinforce my suit so while i'm wearing it i can't break any bones for when i fight anyone with a brickhouse powerset. he's going to say, when i fight solomon grundy i'll do this. when i fight gorilla grodd i'll do this. when i fight bane i'll do this.

on top of that, in batman beyond it clearly states thay bruce wayne retired because he HAD to rely on a gun to stop his assailants. batman doesn't rely on anything except for himself. he's never going to say, "the only way for me to fight so and so is to wear a big giant ironman suit..."

as nifty as it was to see batman don an armored batsuit in world's finest... it was wholly uncharacteristic of him. SPECIFICALLY because doing something like that alienates the Man in Batman. having any kind of super power (super-preparedness notwithstanding) means that the normal person can't achieve what he achieves and THAT is what batman stands for. the normal person standing up to injustice. sure, he's rich and all that... but physically the only thing standing in the way of him and anyone else on the planet is the determination to do it. /longwinded
 

Caliane

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Batman doesn't wear a suit, because he is street level. He is supposed to be in the streets, fighting with his detective skills.

Batman falls apart when he starts using teleporters, drones, and power suits to stop muggers, and mob bosses. Sci-fi batman doesnt work.
 

Mythas 5thboardnow

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except no one on earth could posses batmans retarded super-preparedness. So no, no one else could be batman and beat superman in a fight, or win against darkseid, or do any of the stupid batman shit batman does. Oh a problem, np i'll design technology to overcome it. A god show's up and wants to beat my ass, no worries I'll just make sure to have my handy dandy god-be-gone with me because I know I'm going to fight him today.
 

Chukzombi

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newsflash. all these earth based superheroes can not compare to someone magical from another world like superman or Thor. even the Hulk who is probably closest cant match either one, no matter how mad he gets.

so how do you beat superman? well he likes humans and earth, so thats his weakness if you destroy earth or our sun you destroy superman. but yeah not probably a good idea if earth is your home planet. so whats best? say "im sorry superman" and kneel like the bitch that you are.
 

j00t

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hulk has been shown to dent captain america's shield. thor has not been able to demonstrate this. though, to be honest i prefer thor. i think they've gone on record to say that all things being equal, hulk is potentially the strongest (strength wise) marvel character. though, i can't seem to find a link so take it with a grain of salt.

THAT BEING SAID... super-preparedness is hands down the best super power ever created. best part of super-preparedness is that it comes with time manipulation as there is no way that batman could possibly have time to run a multi-billion dollar company and run around at night and fight crime, not even including all the time it would take to train, create computer programs, analyze crime scenes, etc.

super-preparedness is what it is... in certain media and in certain stories it becomes it's own character and batman simply follows it... in other stories? it's ignored completely. and in other stories still, it is used and it is used creatively and enjoyably. Justice League: Doom, for example. it's all about batman's super-preparedness being used against him. which was great. loved it. though, at some point you have to ask, "if batman prepared for all these bizarro situations that would never in a million years happen, why didn't he plan for some d-list villian like fricking Mirror Man to try to break into the batcave?
 

j00t

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tuco get your real world answers out of here. stories in comic books are not told to make money. they are told to make sure that people know our history. didn't you see unbreakable?
 

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Maester Chuk;297521 said:
newsflash. all these earth based superheroes can not compare to someone magical from another world like superman or Thor. even the Hulk who is probably closest cant match either one, no matter how mad he gets.

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Um Hulk kills Thor. Not even a close one. Hulk beats Thor and Loki together.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Vs

Also, Batman is a bitch. Supes for the easy win.
 

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Hulk is a paradox. Like Capt America's shield. Hulk's strength is potentially infinite. This means the idea of him beating nearly anyone is perfectly reasonable and the writers can easily write it without incredulity from the reader.
 

Grimmlokk

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Hulk is a paradox. Like Capt America's shield. Hulk's strength is potentially infinite. This means the idea of him beating nearly anyone is perfectly reasonable and the writers can easily write it without incredulity from the reader.
Every single comic character ever made is a paradox in this way.

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Squirrel Girl > Batman.

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edit: To be clear, i totally ignored the "without incredulity" part because I wanted to post Squirrel Girl beating Thanos and Dr. Doom. She's also taken down Deadpool, Wolverine, Ego the Living Planet, the Mandarin, etc etc...