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ClivesTriceps
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You guys are both cool IMHO, can you stop fighting please?
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Luc1fer
ℭ𝔥𝔞𝔰𝔢 𝔞 𝔠𝔥𝔢𝔠𝔎, 𝔫𝔢𝔳𝔢𝔯 𝔠𝔥𝔞𝔰𝔢 𝔞 𝔟𝔦𝔱𝔠𝔥
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ClivesTriceps
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I guess I can. Arguing with a nog is a fruitless battle.You guys are both cool IMHO, can you stop fighting please?
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You guys are both cool IMHO, can you stop fighting please?
Thanks. We used to fight back in the misc and it was fun but I gotta say CT is like that one guy Samson who gets weaker the more his hair follicles die off.
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SirFapsAlot
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I expect to see no less than 20 vocaroos which are completely incoherent by the end of the week.
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OnlyFans star Lily Phillips now bedding elderly men in sex stunt
Controversial porn star Lily Phillips is now bedding elderly men as part of her latest OnlyFans stunt.www.dailymail.co.uk
how the fuk does that even work, does she just take it all off and spit on him, or what
that's because vehicles today are EV, or hybrid, they're just trash overall, even the fully traditional gas cars are crap, I.E. whoever is designing BMWs for instance, should be hanged
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i love it
I would flog the shit out of any one caught littering, dead srs. People that litter are worse than animals. That's why I loved it when they lashed that one dick head in Singapore for littering.
great description of the site - I wonder if fully Asian Elliot Rodger went to Home Depot yet.So perfect for the average miscer?
Edit : LOL, just checked it out, what a shit show over there - it's literally like everyone who was a tosser on the misc found their way over there, and no one else did.
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I guess I can. Arguing with a nog is a fruitless battle.
Bygones being bygones and still insulting each other...I love this old school MISC vibe, would rep tenderly
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Lanx
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watermelon a fruitI guess I can. Arguing with a nog is a fruitless battle.
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I happened across this video that covers a ton about the graphical decline in modern games, plus even more reasoning why Digital Foundry is trash and helping to lower people's standards on what is acceptable from these companies.
Another side to it that I was thinking about is how consoles basically create these large, segmented gaps of hardware and the graphical fidelity standards for those users where they simply are never going to see the full potential of the exact same games.
So, all this time someone like myself might have been playing PS4/Xbone games at settings that were and sitll are visually breathtaking given the time they were released, but PS4 and Xbox users really only experienced a cut down version to run on their hardware.
When the PS5 and Xbox-whatever came out, the "jump" was actually pretty meh, and the Monster Hunter Wilds versus MH:World example he briefly brings up in that video sums it up nicely: there was already a wall developers were running into, which you could see with the right hardware (PC version vs consoles), so now they're at the impasse where currently available hardware really struggles to push past it without involving frame regeneration, resolution scaling, or Temporal Anti-Aliasing (smearing vs sharp images).
I think one good example to illustrate the difference with things like technological shortcuts is that they have been a critical part to advancing the medium by coming up with tricks to overcome other limitations like set console hardware or what any given engine was capable of doing. These are the sort of workarounds done by highly skilled individuals/teams who wanted to see their vision realized. A lot of modern game devs? They'd rather be jerking off their pronouns on social media and piss off the people who buy games.
It's easy to forget (I sure did) that Square published Marvel games like the Avengers wannabe GAAS that shut down, Forspoken which memed itself out of existence, Foamstars/Temu Splatoon, and they've sold off major studios and lost some of their most well known IPs like Tomb Raider, Deus Ex, Hitman, and more for just $300 million to Embracer, which then closed those studios anyway.
What's left is Square expecting/praying that Final Fantasy could carry them as their most recognizable IP*, however, the absurdly high dev costs for constantly delayed development, as well as exclusivity contracts that limited their total audience have caught up with them. Now they're no longer bothering with the latter beyond what their existing contracts dictate, so they're trying to pivot their entire corporate philosophy amidst the stumbling.
*For a real laugh, go to page 10 of Square's 2025-2027 business plan; those are the IPs that they think define their studio now. Like I completely forgot that they own Nier Automata when they do nothing with it, and Life Is Strange is an abject woke failure.
That last link is worth just skimming to see how screwed up Square Enix is as a company, and their "plan" for the next few years is kind of a joke, like "Shift from quantity to quality, Delivering ensured 'Fun.'"
What? Do they mean not making shitty cash grab slop that is misery to play? As for what "quantity" they're talking about is beyond me when they've sold off a large part of their catalogue, which I guess leaves their retro remasters of quesionable quality, but those shouldn't even be affecting their mainstay development.
The irony behind Square's stated goal is that they already invests an exorbitant amount of time and money chasing "quality," like they're trying to one-up themselves over anything else, while still not seeming to get that the true arbiter of quality in the end is the consumer.
When the last two Final Fantasy games "failed to meet expectations," what the average person fails to understand is not that the figures are unrealistic. Rather, Square's development costs need those sales expectations, i.e. profit, because their current model is unsustainable and how Square develops games is unrealistic.
I happened across this video that covers a ton about the graphical decline in modern games, plus even more reasoning why Digital Foundry is trash and helping to lower people's standards on what is acceptable from these companies.
Another side to it that I was thinking about is how consoles basically create these large, segmented gaps of hardware and the graphical fidelity standards for those users where they simply are never going to see the full potential of the exact same games.
So, all this time someone like myself might have been playing PS4/Xbone games at settings that were and sitll are visually breathtaking given the time they were released, but PS4 and Xbox users really only experienced a cut down version to run on their hardware.
When the PS5 and Xbox-whatever came out, the "jump" was actually pretty meh, and the Monster Hunter Wilds versus MH:World example he briefly brings up in that video sums it up nicely: there was already a wall developers were running into, which you could see with the right hardware (PC version vs consoles), so now they're at the impasse where currently available hardware really struggles to push past it without involving frame regeneration, resolution scaling, or Temporal Anti-Aliasing (smearing vs sharp images).
Dev laziness is absolutely a huge factor because optimization, visual design, story and character writing, and every other component to a video game not only takes skill, but the capacity to actually do it.
I think one good example to illustrate the difference with things like technological shortcuts is that they have been a critical part to advancing the medium by coming up with tricks to overcome other limitations like set console hardware or what any given engine was capable of doing. These are the sort of workarounds done by highly skilled individuals/teams who wanted to see their vision realized. A lot of modern game devs? They'd rather be jerking off their pronouns on social media and piss off the people who buy games.
Square is a really interesting case because from what I've understood, they're flat out horribly mismanaged, rushing unfinished products out the door, followed trends without backing their products up with substance, they've been far too late with their known brands for enough people to care, and their budgets are are overshooting what realistic sales can recover after hedging their bets on under performing tent-pole games.
It's easy to forget (I sure did) that Square published Marvel games like the Avengers wannabe GAAS that shut down, Forspoken which memed itself out of existence, Foamstars/Temu Splatoon, and they've sold off major studios and lost some of their most well known IPs like Tomb Raider, Deus Ex, Hitman, and more for just $300 million to Embracer, which then closed those studios anyway.
What's left is Square expecting/praying that Final Fantasy could carry them as their most recognizable IP*, however, the absurdly high dev costs for constantly delayed development, as well as exclusivity contracts that limited their total audience have caught up with them. Now they're no longer bothering with the latter beyond what their existing contracts dictate, so they're trying to pivot their entire corporate philosophy amidst the stumbling.
*For a real laugh, go to page 10 of Square's 2025-2027 business plan; those are the IPs that they think define their studio now. Like I completely forgot that they own Nier Automata when they do nothing with it, and Life Is Strange is an abject woke failure.
That last link is worth just skimming to see how screwed up Square Enix is as a company, and their "plan" for the next few years is kind of a joke, like "Shift from quantity to quality, Delivering ensured 'Fun.'"
What? Do they mean not making shitty cash grab slop that is misery to play? As for what "quantity" they're talking about is beyond me when they've sold off a large part of their catalogue, which I guess leaves their retro remasters of quesionable quality, but those shouldn't even be affecting their mainstay development.
The irony behind Square's stated goal is that they already invests an exorbitant amount of time and money chasing "quality," like they're trying to one-up themselves over anything else, while still not seeming to get that the true arbiter of quality in the end is the consumer.
When the last two Final Fantasy games "failed to meet expectations," what the average person fails to understand is not that the figures are unrealistic. Rather, Square's development costs need those sales expectations, i.e. profit, because their current model is unsustainable and how Square develops games is unrealistic.
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ClivesTriceps
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I saw that video posted on retardera and the posters there were mad as hell for him going after DF.Gotta say, those DF dorks started annoying me a long time ago when all they could talk about was "muh waytwathing". I'm a layman when it comes to graphics so it felt really odd hearing them use the "buzzword" with such regard yet not elaborating on how or why it was an improvement.
It's like... There could be two games, one uses raytracing and looks 7.5/10, and one uses meticulous baked lighting techniques to look solid 9/10.... Yet the raytraced game would get all the praise just by virtue of using the newer method.
On another interesting note as I'm done with SB, tonight I saw FF16 went on sale for $32 so I figured I'd give it a go. Don't want to be like mgftp and talk too much chit about things I never even tried myself. Will report back soon with initial impressions.
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Tasty The Treat
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I never liked those DF dorks. I always thought of them as those turbo-nerds who overanalyze things trying to use as much industry jargon as possible to make their bullshit sound like fact. I mean it really isn't that hard to tell whether you think graphics look good or not, and you don't need to be pausing frames and analyzing them under a microscope trying to detect whatever tech they've been using to figure that out. Like they always seemed to spend so much time micro-analyzing things that I would never care about or notice when all I do is look at how a game looks to me in action and I can easily decide for myself whether or not that looks good.
Gotta say, those DF dorks started annoying me a long time ago when all they could talk about was "muh waytwathing". I'm a layman when it comes to graphics so it felt really odd hearing them use the "buzzword" with such regard yet not elaborating on how or why it was an improvement.
It's like... There could be two games, one uses raytracing and looks 7.5/10, and one uses meticulous baked lighting techniques to look solid 9/10.... Yet the raytraced game would get all the praise just by virtue of using the newer method.
On another interesting note as I'm done with SB, tonight I saw FF16 went on sale for $32 so I figured I'd give it a go. Don't want to be like mgftp and talk too much chit about things I never even tried myself. Will report back soon with initial impressions.
I think they really popularized making a big deal about effects technology as opposed to just simply enjoying how a game looks. They always seemed to be popular among the type of gamer nerds who take this kinda shit way too seriously and try to make academic statements about them or some shit to win arguments on the internet. It's just always been so stupid to me.
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While I've never seen a single thing that I can recall from Digital Foundry, gaming
Today, in a large part due to this mindset and companies like EA pouring money into gaming "journalism" (so they can pump out the same game with "better" graphics every year) we have a AAA & AAAA gaming market that is 95% shit.
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