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McCheese

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It was in Delaware:

Home - Broad Creek Bike Brew

This one coming up in Dover looks fun too, but I have something gong on that weekend unfortunately:

Amish Bike Tour Festival

Just look on bikereg.com and find stuff in the region. There's events in PA and VA. If you like mountain biking and camping (and beer) you should try to get some people together for Dirt Rag's yearly Dirt Fest up near State College, PA in May. Its a great time with really fun trails.
I'm doing the Amish Bike Tour in September and the Seagull Century in October. I was chatting with some women a couple weeks ago out on a trail and they were telling me about the Amish Bike Tour; they've done it before and said it's really fun and a really scenic, interesting ride. I'm looking forward to it.
 

Famm

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I'm after a little advice/comments:

My current MTB is a 2009 Gary Fisher HiFi plus. It's in great condition but I'm not altogether happy with the deore groupset, especially compared with how slick the 105 is on my CX bike.

I can't really afford to throw ?3k at a new bike, or should I say my wife will kill me if I do?
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And if I was I'd probably try out a 27B or 29'er but I'm stuck with what I have for now.

So I'm debating the merits of upgrading to an XT groupset and at the same time dropping to a 2x10 rather than a 3x9. The problem is that my rear hub is an 8/9 so highly unlikely that a 10 cassette will fit. So now I'm looking at needing either a new hub and the pita of restringing the current rim or a new wheelset. So I've gone from a ?400 groupset to then adding around ?300 extra on a wheelset too! This is further confused as the new XT groupset out later this year will be an 11 cassette so then do I buy a 2x10 or wait and buy a 2x11 or even a 1x11?

I mainly ride single track type stuff on the bike and I'm not entirely convinced I need 22 gears, certainly I double shift a lot with the 27 gears but other than my CX bike I've only ever ridden triple chainring bikes so have nothing to go off, perhaps if I wasn't STILL waiting for the new frame I could take that for a quick blast and see how I went with a 2x11.

Man, why is nothing ever easy?
Just drop the big ring for a bashguard, adjust your front der and you are 2X9 for now. Get a nice new wheelset since that's the best upgrade you can make for any bike, then later when you are ready to spend more money you can upgrade the drive train now that you'll have a new rear hub.
 

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Yeah, it is kind of tough to say for sure what setup would work for you w/o seeing what you ride, but I'd say if you only have 1 bike you should probably make it as versatile as possible and go with the 2x10/11 just in case you ever find yourself needing to use in some sort of race or going for strava records or something.

Also yeah, deore is garbage, XT will make you MUCH happier. I've heard good stuff about the equivalent SRAM groupsets but have never personally used them myself.
 

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If you do wait till the 11speed set comes out, usually places will sell off the 10 speed set for cheaper since everyone wants the latest and greatest

What's the used market like where you live. I know out here you can pick up lightly used stuff for 1/2 the price with ease.
 

Kalaar kururuc

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Im a little wary of used, a decent chunk of it is probably stolen
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Never thought of dropping the 3rd ring off. Might do that and buy new wheels as suggested. Can use spacers so the 9speed casette works short term and wait to see what prices are on the latest 2x10 when the 11 is out. One slight problem is my middle ring is only 32 so will spin out quite easily on downhill bits but I can probably live with it for a couple of months. Another problem with a bashguard is what colour? It will dictate everything elee I buy from now on, I can easily see me wanting matching hubs and brake bolts
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Seventh

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I run a 30T on all of my trail bikes in the front, 1x10. 32T should be no prob unless you're riding downhill rail trails or something.
 

Kalaar kururuc

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So on the subject of wheels, does anyone have any experience with mavics? Specifically the crosslight. The mavic seems good as supposedly their freehub will fit an 11 speed (if I decided to go that route) but other manufacturers hubs dont. Ive been looking and the newer wheels with 11 speed compatible hubs dont have something else I need. Basically I need 26" wheels with an olde worlde qr, and ideally I could go tubeless as an option. I know you can buy adaptors to run thru axle front wheels with a qr skewer but not with the rear (?). Id rather not spend a fortune as my recent cx crash cost me about $800 with the wheels heh. Opinions appreciated.
 

Famm

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What's a fortune? And what sort of trails do you ride? You're in the UK right? Look on Chain Reaction Cycles and see if they have any deals on Stan's rims laced to Hope Pro 2 Evo hubs. Best bang for the buck really. Get Flow rims if you are bigger and/or ride pretty rough trails, Arch if smoother trails/lighter rider to save some weight, Crest if you're a weight weenie or racer. Also could look on ebay or forums for indie wheelbuilders and get their prices. No matter what get handbuilt wheels from a reputable source.

And yeah, I can't imagine you'll need a bigger ring than the 32t middle, do you really use your big one much as it is?
 

Seventh

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So on the subject of wheels, does anyone have any experience with mavics? Specifically the crosslight. The mavic seems good as supposedly their freehub will fit an 11 speed (if I decided to go that route) but other manufacturers hubs dont. Ive been looking and the newer wheels with 11 speed compatible hubs dont have something else I need. Basically I need 26" wheels with an olde worlde qr, and ideally I could go tubeless as an option. I know you can buy adaptors to run thru axle front wheels with a qr skewer but not with the rear (?). Id rather not spend a fortune as my recent cx crash cost me about $800 with the wheels heh. Opinions appreciated.
Honestly that bike is a bit dated, I'd just ride the fucker and get something a little more current. If you really want new wheels, check out Velomine. It's one guy and he's top notch. Great deals on wheels, good customer service. This is a damn decent wheelset with XT hubs for under $200. I have these i23s on my 29'er and I beat the fuck out of them with zero issues:

WTB Frequency TCS i23 26 Shimano XT 6 Bolt Disc Wheelset Black [72774640799] - $189.00 Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike

Thisis your bike right?. If so, the first thing I'd do if I were upgrading it would be to get rid of those awful brakes and slap on a set of M615s. They're an inexpensive upgrade and basically budget XT, andthis place in the UKhas them for $99 a pair.

Since you're running a 9 speed you can't do a straight upgrade to a 42T cog like aWolftooth. If you don't plan to upgrade to a 10 speed, I'd strongly recommend considering a 30T instead of a 32T front ring. Unless it's completely flat where you are, you'll want more granny gear more than you'll want more go-fast gear. The good news is that the single rings are cheap anyway, so it's like $40 to switch if you want more/less teeth up there.

If you're going to buy wheels anyway and go with a 1X, I'd suggest converting to a 10 speed setup. An 11-36 with a 42T add-on plus a 30 or 32 in the front (which is what I run) will give you stump-pulling granny gear for climbs and IMO more top end than you'd ever need on anything remotely resembling singletrack. I'd check with your LBS but you may even be able to keep your existing cranks if the chainline works out. You'd also need a 10 speed shifter/derailleur though, and all of those parts add up quick. (wheels + shifter + 42t + 30T + derailleur + cassette).

If you like the bike and think it's worth investing a few hundred bucks in, that's the way I'd go. If you're looking to stay cheap, keep your wheels (they're fine), upgrade your brakes and ditch the big ring for a bashguard. Then just ride the fuck out of it for a season or two and upgrade to something more modern down the road.
 

Famm

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If you're looking to stay cheap, keep your wheels (they're fine), upgrade your brakes and ditch the big ring for a bashguard. Then just ride the fuck out of it for a season or two and upgrade to something more modern down the road.
Those wheels suck dick. The duster rims are ok, but the rear hub is a basement level loose ball Shimano piece of shit. I agree he's better off buying a new bike and all but if he's waffling on costs of stuff then a new bike doesn't really sound like an upgrade path. Unless he wants to just ride what he's got until he can just buy something else complete. Swapping the big ring for a BG would be the cheapest thing anyone's suggested. Overall, yeah just getting something new is a more efficient use of money, but if you insist on doing a little here and there then who cares about the brakes? Yes they are low end but if they stop the bike then fuck it.
 

Famm

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You're also too obsessed with 11 speed IMO, but if you are hell bent on having that someday, again just wait and buy a complete bike later.
 

Seventh

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Those wheels suck dick. The duster rims are ok, but the rear hub is a basement level loose ball Shimano piece of shit. I agree he's better off buying a new bike and all but if he's waffling on costs of stuff that doesn't really sound like an upgrade path. Unless he wants to just ride what he's got until he can just buy something else complete. Swapping the big ring for a BG would be the cheapest thing anyone's suggested. Overall, yeah just get something new is more efficient but if you insist on doing a little here and there then who cares about the brakes? Yeah they are low end but if they stop the bike then fuck it.
You're my homeboy, but you are fired from talking about mountain bikes if you think brakes aren't important. Good brakes make you faster dude, probably moreso than anything else. Brake modulation in the woods is absolutely critical. It's the difference between scrubbing speed and maintaining control through the turns vs locking up the wheel and eating a mouthful of trees.
 

Seventh

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You're also too obsessed with 11 speed IMO, but if you are hell bent on having that someday, again just wait and buy a complete bike later.
I agree with this. 11 speed is (IMO) overrated in the woods. You can get the same ratios down low (where it counts) for half the money in a converted 10 speed setup. If someone is constantly running out of high gear on a MTB, they're on the wrong type of bike.
 

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I agree with this. 11 speed is (IMO) overrated in the woods. You can get the same ratios down low (where it counts) for half the money in a converted 10 speed setup. If someone is constantly running out of high gear on a MTB, they're on the wrong type of bike.
I want a 7 speed to make a comeback. 1x7. That's all I need.
 

Kalaar kururuc

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Ok, thanks for all the replies folks, I knew I could rely on you all and effort of adding in links for bits and pieces is much appreciated.

Waffling is probably the right word for it. I realise the bike is dated and that my best option really is to just buy a new one, but I was looking into if there were options for a worthwhile upgrade path for the one I have and spread the cost. However I guess I'm in no desperate rush so I'm with the suggested route, drop the big ring, throw in a bash guard and just ride it for another season (or two) then buy something new. Or maybe a year old, as the LBS currently has stuff like the 2014 Fuel EX9 for ?2000, which is only about double what I'd end up spending on new wheels and a groupset and is amuchbigger upgrade.

On the brakes I've never really had a problem with them, after I drained the system and refilled with fresh dot they have been fine, even on a few lift assist downhill runs when I lived in Canada (although nothing like Whistler
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). Mind you I am only 180lb so not exactly gigantor.

I live in Sheffield now I'm back in the UK so have really excellent trails within 1 mile of my house so generally end up just riding to the woods and riding around there, but as it's downhill on roads all the way there I like to be up at >30mph or cars are dicks so do end up on the big ring for that quite a lot, but for sure it's not a reason to compromise the entire bike and I could live with just pootling along, and fuck the car drivers
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The upgrade thinking was due to me actually not being such a lazy fucker this year and actually being out on the bike a lot so wanting to start heading off to amazing rides such asStanage Edgewhich is 8 miles from my house andGrenoside Woodswhich is also about 8 miles from home.
 

Famm

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You're my homeboy, but you are fired from talking about mountain bikes if you think brakes aren't important. Good brakes make you faster dude, probably moreso than anything else. Brake modulation in the woods is absolutely critical. It's the difference between scrubbing speed and maintaining control through the turns vs locking up the wheel and eating a mouthful of trees.
Nothing's better for a bike than good wheels. If the choice to upgrade that bike came down to the two I'd take wheels every time. I run BB7's on my HT single speed (cable brakes!) and its fine. Any brake can modulate to some degree, if you are locking them up you're doing it wrong. Granted I've never tried Juicy 3's but they can't be making him crash.

Either way, he's probably making the reasonable choice here by just tweaking it a bit until its new bike time.
 

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On an unrelated note, I went up toHighlandtoday. DH is a fucking blast. Here I am on a step-up on Hellion. The bike's a rental Specialized Status, and the setup was absolutely perfect. Lots of big air today but this is the only picture worth a shit, was too busy riding.

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Kalaar kururuc

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I don't have the nerve for proper DH'ing. I did a few runs in BC on the moderate stuff with my own bike, but watching some of the kids bomb by in full armour and with no sense of self-preservation made me feel old
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I'm sure on a proper bike it would be different though and it does look fun.

I stuck the bashguard on the bike and I can't say I'm missing the bike ring at all, and I haven't been under-geared with the 32T front so that was an unwarranted worry. Mentioned in passing to the wife I fancied a new MTB soon and I didn't get any immediate pushback so I might have a proper look at the end of this season when they the 2015 stuff goes on sale. I do like the look of thatFuelbut I do like my wifes stumpy so the 29 Specialized could be worth a look, but Specialized are always light on components for a given price point it seems. I guess I should do a few test rides as I get the opportunity.
 

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I don't have the nerve for proper DH'ing. I did a few runs in BC on the moderate stuff with my own bike, but watching some of the kids bomb by in full armour and with no sense of self-preservation made me feel old
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I'm sure on a proper bike it would be different though and it does look fun.

I stuck the bashguard on the bike and I can't say I'm missing the bike ring at all, and I haven't been under-geared with the 32T front so that was an unwarranted worry. Mentioned in passing to the wife I fancied a new MTB soon and I didn't get any immediate pushback so I might have a proper look at the end of this season when they the 2015 stuff goes on sale. I do like the look of thatFuelbut I do like my wifes stumpy so the 29 Specialized could be worth a look, but Specialized are always light on components for a given price point it seems. I guess I should do a few test rides as I get the opportunity.
You have a 9'er dealer around?
JET 9 RDOis sweet (the straight jet9 isn't coming up, but that's what I'd recommend).