Cybsled
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Wildstar had some good housing systems. Unfortunately it didnt have enough other hooks to keep people playing.
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Wildstar had some good housing systems. Unfortunately it didnt have enough other hooks to keep people playing.
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At this point in time, there is no one left you could sell WoW to anymore.
You have only former players to advertise to, who just like Mist's friends come in out of nostalgia with rose-tinted glasses, maybe sub for a month and then leave again. In part because the current game is not what they remember, and in part because it is close enough so that it makes them remember why they left in the first place.
The kids think this is a stupid boomer gamer, which is only played in retirement homes, as it can't even be played on their phones.
Have you not noticed that every male in Shadowlands is either evil, incompetent, or both? Except the token gay. They already started working on the malnourished part:
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he had a quarter million people watch him, watch a video where the dev said he was anticipating 200k concurrent users. it was at that moment i thought maybe the devs were underestimating.
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GuardianX
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I mean Wildstar had a pretty amazing system, "Older" games like EQ2 implemented a system on par with FFXIV without the FUCKING RETARDED AS AIDS housing limitations.
Hell WoW essentially HAD "Housing" in Mists era. All they needed to do was flesh it out. Then they did it again in WoD with garrisons. Their issue is the same with ALL of California Tech, people want job security, so nothing they build is permanent and it all gets trashed every so often so they can rebuild it with green instead of blue trim.
Imagine if they made the MoP farming area, transition into a new location but gain more functions, then casually built housing over 4 expansions, saving and moving your "Houses" progression til they got their final piece in allowing you to modify your "house" in a way similar to EQ2 and FFXIV.
Instead...they fucked off for years, built disposable content and jerked each other off.
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Cybsled
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Yes, but they existed in the zones of WoD, so to speak. Even though they were instanced. So from a lore perspective, they feel like it doesn’t make sense. And their design philosophy basically discards prior xpac zones, with rare exceptions
They need a housing zone that exists in some zone that is independent of all expansion zones / basically treated as a vanilla zone, so they can weave it into the Norma gameplay of any xpac.
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Big Phoenix
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Well that was what I meant. It was literally there then in typical Blizzard stupidity they completely discarded it after the expansion.
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Khane
Got something right about marriage
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Nah, dailies and timegating ruined WoW. Developers who are hellbent on "beating" the playerbase into submitting to their design philosophy ruined WoW.
Garrisons could have been cool, fun and interesting but because of the above they turned into chore house instead of being a fun little mini game on the side. They forced you to participate by combining dailies and character progression into the garrison itself. And then made it so the best way to get gold was also by building multiple garrisons with alts. Then they made it even worse with order halls. When so much power is derived from a singular activity, and that activity isnt even the actual fucking game you're paying to play, that's a colossal failure.
They tried to turn wow into a goddamn Facebook game with the garrison because they got so far up their own ass with how profitable dailies and timesinks ended up being for them.
Garrisons could have been cool, fun and interesting but because of the above they turned into chore house instead of being a fun little mini game on the side. They forced you to participate by combining dailies and character progression into the garrison itself. And then made it so the best way to get gold was also by building multiple garrisons with alts. Then they made it even worse with order halls. When so much power is derived from a singular activity, and that activity isnt even the actual fucking game you're paying to play, that's a colossal failure.
They tried to turn wow into a goddamn Facebook game with the garrison because they got so far up their own ass with how profitable dailies and timesinks ended up being for them.
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Merrith
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Don't know if I would say order halls made it worse. Order halls were one of the best things about Legion for me. But I didn't play until the final patch of Legion, and never messed with WoD when it was current, so my experience may have been vastly different.
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Khane
Got something right about marriage
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I should clarify by saying order halls made passive gold farming even worse, and they added a mobile app to facilitate it
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Merrith
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Something I probably missed out on coming back to WoW so late in Legion. I was never a big alt guy either. I mainly just liked the different class stories and artifact quests.
Chris
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Yeah it was a huge misstep to bring shitty timegated mobile game filler menus into a 3D open world game.
The worst thing is they kept the mobile game menus in every expansion after and dropped the player housing part.
Garrisons really showed that they had no idea what they were doing. How you iterate the decent and optional Pandaria farming minigame into that I have no idea.
Cybsled
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They probably saw player engagement could be higher on garrisons over farm if they made it more mandatory. Like you pointed out, the MoP farm patch was just a nice bit of optional content that got players logging in frequently just to care for them, so they expanded the net and more or less forced players to do it, but made them happy by showering them with gold so they wouldn’t complain
Fight
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Yeah lol. This is a crowd of 100,000 people. Now, triple that and you have Asmongold's audience on a casual Monday...
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Abigailicious
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$150+ million dollar payout to a sociopath CEO, that's not capitalism, that's not even evil capitalism, that's corrupt cronyism and vile technocracy.
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