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At least in education, predictive analytics are the new rage. 2013 it was MOOCs, 2014 it was competency-based learning, 2015 it's analytics. The Wheel of Time turns...
Bootstrappers guide to being successful.
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I thought about it, starting my masters in the fall basically and it was either cyber security or data analytics. I did not care for statistics, really, so that answered the question for me. I feel if I had a better stats class I would be more into it. I loved my calculus class and discrete math.
yeah unfortunately this time period is over, where hard work actually means something.
that shit ended with my dads era and when he grew up.
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OU Ariakas
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Is this a joke? It seems more like the new generations aren't willing to work hard and then complain about no job opportunities. You could start an hourly job for slightly more than minimum wage in the Wal-Mart auto department doing oil changes at 16 and by 20 you could be making 40-60k in an automotive shop. This is not some fairy tale either, this is my friends nephew. Basically, you show up and do your goddamn job and you will reap the benefits. Have you looked at Lyrical's business thread? He is begging for people to just show up and do LAWN CARE and they cannot just show up and do the job.
It is the instant gratification, not willing to start at the bottom young (and old) shitstains that decry how hard the WANT to work, but only if the pay is right.
Cad
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That and so many people seem to think a job should fulfill their life somehow. Like every job is going to be Angelina Jolie working with orphans and saving lives. Sometimes, those TPS reports just need to get done, and people are willing to pay you to do it. Suck it up.
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Not even close to true.
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The worst advice i ever got in my life was "don't work hard, work smart" mostly because i believed it. I though i could actualy out think a good work ethic. Maybe someone can, i cant. I wish that same man had told me "you have to work smart, AND you have to work hard if you want true success" took me a while to learn it on my own.
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Except this time it's true and not just chicken little. Millennials are the first generation that will have it worse than their parents'.
Yeah, how dare people demand to be paid fairly for being the most productive society ever!
This thread in a nutshell: People offering anecdotes(usually using immediate family members)that they think somehow proves a rule, rather than the exception.
OU Ariakas
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Where is the evidence that proves that they will work just as hard as their parents for just as long and still have it worse off? If they do less work and don't do it at the same level of competence do they rally deserve to be better off than their hard working parents?
It is fair to pay people with no experience the minimum amount of money it would take to fill the position until they prove that they can do the work and will continue to do the work. Once you start excelling at that work you get raises and opportunities to do harder work for higher pay. This is the basis of a skilled labor force.
The people in my life that have the best jobs/careers are also the ones that have the best work ethics and the ones that have the worst jobs/careers are the ones with the worst work ethics. Pretty strong goddamn anecdotal evidence.
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And this is why we cant have nice fucking things. Instead of looking at data, like say productivity data and wage growth data, we get stupid fucks claiming "feels" data and basing their entire world view on it.
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Eh, I think you took the wrong meaning from the "work smart, not hard" saying. I've always taken it to mean that if you can use your mind instead of your back to make money, do so. Didn't strike me as saying to not have a good work ethic, just to not physically break yourself if you have other options available.
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Companies still talk about that shit. "don't work harder, work smarter!" I agree, it's the worst advice ever. Like most corporate bullshit these days, it's just playing bullshit bingo.
Really, as I said earlier in this thread and several others have stated too - just showing up to your job on time is more than half the battle. Most people can't even do that. A good work ethic is really simple: Do the work you're hired to do, show up when you are supposed to show up, and apply the golden rule to your co-workers. Everything else you do on top of that is just bonus.
You're only looking at one aspect. Think of it this way, do you think medical technology is going to get worse in the future? Is the internet going to be slower and less available? Is education, and access to it (I don't mean college, I'm talking online too) going to become less available? Are opportunities you as an individual can take going to be less? Is the worlds life expectancy going to drop?Kirin_sl said:
In respects to your parents ask yourself: When was the last time you waited in line for 3+ hours to get gas and were not even sure you'd manage to get it? Have we had runaway inflation and unemployment over 10% like we did in the late 70s? Look at "poverty" in the 1960s-1970s vs. today. Despite the middle east, in the grand scale of things, we're still living in the most peaceful time in human history. Your parents were around when we lost Vietnam (which had a considerably higher human toll as well). They learned the dewey decimal system for god sake, something today most millennials don't even know wtf that is (nor should they really). No computers, no internet, no games really other than some pinball machines and board games.
Going back further, look at the fear of things like polio before the vaccine, or simple medical issues just 60-80 years ago that could kill that today can be treated in a visit in the office. Automation and computers HAVE allowed us to do more and more, and go further and further than anything our parents and grandparents dreamed of. It's just awful today because of this, we're simply expected to "do more" because of these conveniences.
IBM's Watson's computer cost over 20 million dollars to develop. When your parents grew up, a Cray-1 (in 1976; regarded as one of the best supercomputers of its time) cost 9 million at the time - so more than Watson in todays dollars. Today, you have a phone in your pocket that is faster than the Cray-1 and stores over 10 times more data and is over 10 times faster for less than $700 without contract. Will we have a phone in our pocket faster than IBM's Watson in 40 years? Taking Moores law into account, 20 years?
Drones are now/soon to be flying to do things like deliveries within the hour of ordering something. You still have the "Internet of things". Self-driving cars are coming soon.
The list really goes on and on for "tomorrow". Sorry, but I just don't get on board with "we're going to have it worse than our parents". The only "worse" part is that a lot of jobs are simply going to be replaced by technology, and it's going to happen faster and faster, making it harder for humans to adjust, because most are not capable of completely re-learning new careers 2-3 times in our lives.
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Once the 99% lose their last vestiges of political representation, then yes, I expect the food lines and gas lines to start right back up. And don't ever hope to get medical care.
I expect the US to be unrecognizable in 15 years.
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AND expect less and less share of the value you create for your employer.
It's the American Way!
There are obviously many jobs where the question "what side projects have you done" doesn't apply. But for jobs like programmer or technical artist, anyone who is doing passion projects on the side is vastly more likely to do better work on the clock. Both fields have near bottomless depths of knowledge.