Exactly this. Way too many times I'm looking at jobs and they want "3-5 years experience with xyz certifications and abc qualified" but they are paying entry level salary. Fuck that. And then companies will bitch and moan "I don't get why so many people are unemployed gee whiz we have several openings!" No one who would actually qualify for that shit is going to be applying.
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Heylel
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No one wants to take a pay hit. It's a very reasonable expectation that if you switch jobs, especially if you're currently employed, that you'll be getting a bump or at a minimum a lateral move with some kind of non-financial upside (work from home, better benefits, etc.).
moontayle
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During my exit interview from my previous job I repeated several times that they really needed to do some entry level hires that weren't internships. I even had a couple directors agree with me.
Mist
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EMC has like 400+ openings in Mass alone. I know a guy who is constantly complaining to me how they can't find people. I looked through all of their available positions and exactly 6 were entry level and 4 of them were only open to current Cambridge area students.
Interdasting.
Interdasting.
So, here it is Tuesday and I called to my dismay, I didn't get the job.
Why? Who knows, maybe a flood of 5+ year experienced installers came in to apply.
Regardless, I get to hunt for another job, bombing resumes to everything even remotely within my league on craigslist.
Is there a better avenue for finding jobs than craigslist? I've found all my jobs on craigslist and a good majority of them have been absolute shit.
Staffing agencies have been pretty shit too, with the general outlook on most temps being alcoholics just looking for beer money than actual temp-to-hire employees.
Big Phoenix
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Uhh dont just use CL? I actually just got a job from CL though, processing/handling checks for a law firm.
Thing I noticed about cl though is that half the ads are for fucking uber or just various scams. When answering ads or emailing youre resume keep personal security in mind.
Thing I noticed about cl though is that half the ads are for fucking uber or just various scams. When answering ads or emailing youre resume keep personal security in mind.
Cad
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Heylel
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While true, actually getting to talk to someone is often very difficult. Hence what I said about your resume going down a black hole. Many places won't talk with a potential applicant anymore until they make a first cut based on some pretty arbitrary characteristics.
ZyyzYzzy
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This, but sonetimes is doesn't work due to dumb automated systems filtering out canidates who don't have every single desired thing.
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This doesn't necessarily mean that these law school "A" earners are the smartest people ever...just means that they knew slightly more than the person who earned the "A-." God Bless the standard distribution.
Cad
scientia potentia est
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It doesn't necessarily mean that these law school "A" earners are all from Idaho either. Good thing nobody said that.
AladainAF
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No, the HR automated resume checker that checks keywords and throws your resume in the trashcan if it doesn't contain 98% of the required keywords takes it as gospel. There is no way to talk to people in most places, unless you have prior networking that has you an in. It's possible to really really research and find the hiring manager, and email them directly, but this is still extremely uncommon to get any kind of response.
They need to make the jobs more accessible, and look for the talent that can grow into that position. Only looking for the best of the best, and refusing everyone else and then whining that there's no talent is bullshit. There's available talent all over the place - but some people just might need a few weeks. Even the most brilliant people need some reasonable time to grow into a position.
I've heard one of the best programmer interview questions is: "what side projects have you done"? If they've never done any don't hire them.
Anyway, I highly recommend the military, simulation, and training sector. Basically it is game development but (1) better hours, (2) better pay, (3) better benefits, (4) more job security. Here's the last 3 projects my company did, all of which are military simulation / trainers:
-FEAR Engine: I did level design, lighting, texturing, C++ game programming, C# WinForms tools development, XML, sound design
-CryEngine: I did level design, lighting, shaders, C++ and LUA game programming, particle effects, C# WPF tools development, MySQL, a tiny bit of Flash/ActionScript, sound design
-Unreal Engine: I did level design, lighting, shaders, C++ and Unreal Script game programming, MySQL
I got paid to learn most of that stuff. If you are a generalist then you would love this type of work. The only way you could do all that shit on a game is at an indie studio, and those aren't exactly secure jobs. But then, neither is EA. Half my friends and multiple co-workers were laid off from EA...
Tuco
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I agree in some cases. If someone's career doesn't have them doing interesting work, they have extra time and they don't do side projects then they probably don't have a passion for it.
I used to do a lot of side projects before I got to where I am now. But now if I do any development outside work hours I'd rather work on my work projects than do anything else.
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There are plenty of people, not just programmers, that are excellent at their job but have little motivation to work on projects outside of work. You only make this arbitrary distinction because you can. What about someone that designs circuit libraries for work? What do you expect this person to do outside of work?
Tuco
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Circuit Libraries | Third Circuit | United States Court of Appeals
I dunno, go to the library and creep out on little kids?
But seriously, there are a ton of fun hobby projects you can do with embedded software development or hobbyist electronics. If I lost my job for whatever reason and couldn't get another one my 'I'm unemployed and now working on this side project' would probably be designing my own UAV.
I dunno, go to the library and creep out on little kids?
But seriously, there are a ton of fun hobby projects you can do with embedded software development or hobbyist electronics. If I lost my job for whatever reason and couldn't get another one my 'I'm unemployed and now working on this side project' would probably be designing my own UAV.
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Embedded software and hobby electronics are loosely related to circuit design and layout. If you do the latter, you more than likely know a lot about the first two, but doing them in your free time isn't going to help you decide how many fingers to put on that NAND gate for the Cu45LP library.
Let me be clear, I have no problem with working extra hours for my job. I often stay late because I'm in the middle of coding a function and I'm actually having fun. I was quite frustrated at my last job because I had no way to work remotely. Sometimes, I'd want to put a few hours of work in during the weekend, but I'm not driving in for that.
The closest I've come to wanting to work a side project is to make a little program that will easily switch the default playback device between my monitor speakers and headphones. I've made spreadsheets for games I play, one of them had 100's of hours invested and you might have used it(original warrior dps spreadsheet, it was on EJ for a while).
But specifically worked on an open source project outside of work? Never. It's an arbitrary distinction no different than companies asking for too much on their job reqs.
Let me be clear, I have no problem with working extra hours for my job. I often stay late because I'm in the middle of coding a function and I'm actually having fun. I was quite frustrated at my last job because I had no way to work remotely. Sometimes, I'd want to put a few hours of work in during the weekend, but I'm not driving in for that.
The closest I've come to wanting to work a side project is to make a little program that will easily switch the default playback device between my monitor speakers and headphones. I've made spreadsheets for games I play, one of them had 100's of hours invested and you might have used it(original warrior dps spreadsheet, it was on EJ for a while).
But specifically worked on an open source project outside of work? Never. It's an arbitrary distinction no different than companies asking for too much on their job reqs.