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Part of the disappointment is going to come from unrealistic expectations.

Odds of him getting another modifier on his ls are low, every other sbs unit has just had their ls numbers adjusted up. Zedus isn't going to break that mold, secondly I doubt we'll see his low hit count sbb significantly increased. If both of these pan out where do you use him? Part of the popularity of griff/Rhoa is bc on crit and bc on spark. Lacking Zedus/tridon don't make that great of a raid pairing with bc resistance issues. Same issues in trials.

That leaves him as a spark buffer sub competing against zenia.

I am really hoping the Deathmax numbers are not the final numbers.


Very dissapointed with Andaria.

Leadership skill is useless in the current meta...and not by a little bit, I mean *utterly* f'n useless. Zero niche. Fine, whatever...so she's a sub. Lots of units work better that way.

2-3 BC when hit on BB/SBB ???? Fuck. Do you WANT me to NOT use her? Christ, at least match the current meta. This is horrible. With current BC on Hit buffs being 4-7 BC per hit, 2-3 becomes a MAJOR LIABILITY to even have around. You'll either have to micromanage every single action or not use Andaria AT ALL. This is a disaster

On the SBB, 7 BC per turn is nice, but NOT if you have to deal with that 2-3 BC per hit at the same goddamn time. That 2-3 BC on hit Extra Skill makes all her other skills less desirable to use.

She could have been an overall decent/nice unit to have around but they managed to fuck it up.

I REALLY hope the numbers Deathmax released are not final. I wouldn't even use this Andaria in my current raid group, much less be happy about her. Very very dissapointed

If Andaria's sphere isn't God-Like then she is only ever going to be useful to people who haven't already gotten better. ...Because better exists.

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Zedus is an All-in-One damage God.

Crit Damage, Crit Chance, More Crit Damage, More Crit Chance, Spark Damage, Elemental Damage. UBB that destroys all.

Very slot efficient. People need a spark buffer and a crit buffer in the group - he is single handedly both, does both at or exceeding the current meta....and tosses +elemental damage in there as a bonus just to drive the point home that if you are not Running Zedus, you are Walking somebody else.

I don't have him and can't even summon for him because I dropped my entire bank of gems trying and and failing over and over and over to summon for Krantz.

People without a Zedus are now a step behind for things like Frontier Hunter where OTK Middle/End farming now reigns supreme....and everywhere else, using more slots than necessary just to cover what he does.


Happy day for Zedus owners. Frustrating/Sad day for me.


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I really really hope I get to come back here in 2-3 hours with a smile on my face that Andaria has been updated, but hoping is just going to leave me with even more disappointment when it doesn't happen. I was trying to keep my expectations low, but even I didn't plan on her having a fatal flaw that would make me not even want to use her. I have a Libera for christsake....she was the only unit that was keeping me from walking out into traffic after not getting a Krantz. ...so...what? am I supposed to just toss my Libera away if I want to use Andaria because their buffs clash so bad?

Somebody talk me down and tell me why I should be running Andaria in a group in a meta where Libera and Aurelia both exist.

I hope I am overreacting, but I don't see where I'd even use Andaria on my current roster. My disappointment is palpable. She'd have been better if the 2-3 BC on hit DIDN'T EVEN EXIST. A unit should never be better by taking skills AWAY from them. You can't turn that shit off. You either have to micromanage it all or just never use her.

So frustrated

...and she is a far fuckin' cry from Vesti.

No extra hits, her Dropcheck is mediocre at best, her leadership skill set is unusable...and her ES adds an effect to both BB/SBB that makes me not want to use either one.

If Gumi was trying for an SBS answer to Vesti, they failed. I mean they face-planted into a fuckin' cactus while landing in a fresh steaming pile of cow shit failed.

Agreed that the 2-3 bc on hit is dumb, but you do have Aurelia/libera. So andaria is marginalized for you as you have two of the best subs in the game.

I don't know if zedus + leader can overcome bc resistance in raids to make him a legit leader there. I agree he is awesome for fh mid/end farming and fh gate farming.

I might try out a mono Thunder fh gate farm team with zedus/kagura leads. My current fh gate team is hitting 3 million on pure auto battle, so I don't know if it would be that much better for points.

Not feeling bad about not having either.

Ishad_sl said:

Agreed that the 2-3 bc on hit is dumb, but you do have Aurelia/libera. So andaria is marginalized for you as you have two of the best subs in the game.

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I'm still glad to have Aurelia/Libera - Yet no other 7-star global exclusive (Including Ultor who was initially met with disappointment on the first version of his profile that was released but later buffed/fixed) was in the position of: "Well this unit is at least useful if you don't already have some of the older units that were already released."

*All* the other Global exclusive 7-stars set the pace upon their release.


Ultor: The only offensive Taunter
Deimos: The only defensive Taunter
Zenia: Spark Queen, DPS supreme
Tridon: Defensive God-of-the-Year
Hadaron: Single-Target "I laugh in the face of crit damage resistance" Face-Wrecker
Aurelia: The "You like Defense? Wait'll they get a load of me" unit that annihilated anything that ever came out of BFJP so hard we may never see anything like it until 8-star units.

Then we have Andaria,
Andaria: The "Well, I can be pretty nice IF you don't already have a whole list of other units that already exist." Dust Collector.

The disappointment is justified.

Hell, according to screenshots, Andaria's Extra Skill doesn't even currently require a unique sphere. People are talking about raising her to SBB 9 and just never unlocking her Extra Skill/UBB because it is so flawed. That is broken as fuck. I mean she is brand-friggin' new. She doesn't need to blow away the current meta, but for godssake at least match it.

Ao-_sl said:

Damn it, why did I have to have Andaria instead of Zedus!

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We need to start a "I have Andaria but not Zedus" Support Group.

We'd get permanently shitfaced on copious amounts of beer and for those who like to add salt to their alcohol, they'd have an infinite supply on hand. Might be the best part of the whole Andaria release.

Ishad_sl said:

Not feeling bad about not having either.

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My only disappointment about Zedus is that I can't even look forward to pulling for him just because I'm so spent on gems it would be nearly pointless to even try (and I still want a he-who-must-not-be-named). I realize you are more-or-less in the same boat regarding gems atm. Also, I have a Zenia, my DPS won't suffer *that* much by not having him. My only worry is that Griff friends will start disappearing off my friends list if people start to decide they need a Griff lead less with Zedus complicating the decision making. Griff adds bulk and elements, but Zedus adds raw concentrated power. Right now I depend on Griff friends in a huge way....if they start disappearing, it is going to be a big problem for me.

My disappointment with Andaria is that she is so tragically flawed it wouldn't much matter if I had one or not. I wouldn't use her either way.

I'll get over it. It's just that last night I went to bed hoping I'd wake up to a nice surprise with my Andaria, and this morning woke up to a unit flawed in such a way that I wouldn't even want to use her. She had the potential to be so much better. Not 12 hours ago I was here posting that I would be holding my Imps just in case Andaria merits them. Right now, she only merits the 35 energy it costs to farm out the Mecha God to raise her to 7-stars, and not much else.

I'll shut up about it. I just needed to get the disappointment out of my system.

Oh I understand the salt. I was the same way when ultor's stats were posted. At least he finds occasional use as a nuker in raids, but man was he an initial disappointment compared to tridion.

Always sucks to see a new unit announced and go "well I'll never use that" aka all the new legacy units.

Ishad_sl said:

My current fh gate team is hitting 3 million on pure auto battle, so I don't know if it would be that much better for points.

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On a somewhat happier note, what units/spheres are you using for Frontier Gate farming?

After the most recent Frontier Hunter expired, I went into Frontier Gate using Dual-Kira's for the very first time. Very first time out of the Gate (pun intended, har har) I exceeded my previous all-time best score by a couple hundred k points. Including my newest best since then, on Full Manual I score between 2.5m and 2.7m points.....on Auto however that drops to 2m-2.2m or so.

I'd really like to bump all those numbers up if I could. The shorter I can make the Frontier Gate farming the better. I put off trying to beat Gravion for over a month, so I'm already way behind where I really should be.

I still have a few GQ's to do, including farming out the Sky Harbinger. Getting that sphere is extremely high on my priority list.....Today or Tomorrow at the latest.

Once that is done I'll probably try going full on nuts with spheres....Spirit Tiara on Quaid, Blighted Seal and Sky Harbinger on whoever has the best ATK stat....still only have one Heavenly Bud......Steeple Roses all around if I have nothing better. I still don't have any crit spheres yet...didn't buy the Geldinite axe from the achievement store and still a couple ranks short of that in the Arena.

I've been using some of those +75% ATK for first two turn spheres like Amanohabaken (Feeva) and Masamune (Kira) because why not in an OTK squad.

I'm sure it would help a little if I put more Imps in the right places.

I'm using Feeva and Nemethgear, but I'm not sure either of those two are really my best option for a OTK squad. I never UBB in Frontier Gate as I never have a Fujin potion available to fill a UBB bar.

I did try a Dual-Dion lead group yesterday but it was a disaster, a full Million+ points lower than my Dual Kira groups. My Thunder/Earth options fall far far short of my Dark/Light options though, (specifically Dark, it is far and away my strongest element right now), and I'm sure I could have tweaked the group to perform better, but it was so hilariously bad, it was very clear that Dark/Light was my better option by light years.

Current setup is:
Kira: blighted seal, heavenly bud
Ark: glendite axe, revelation book
Zenia: obsidian core, impiety orb (to lazy to change this between fh and raids)
Kafka: revelation book, heavenly bud
Feeva:revelation book, heavenly bud

Griff friend.

All units are max imped. Should be using sky harbinger and blades of ultor, but again too lazy to swap spheres.

Tried a kagura/zedus team. Absolute shit.

Hey Ishad, I need to ask some advice....you are more familiar with my units than anyone else I'd ask and I trust your judgement.

I'm struggling to decide who to Imp up next - If you could point out my top 2 or 3 options, that would be enormously appreciated.

My Fully Imp'd units just to set the baseline: Quaid, Libera, Griel, Aaron, Aurelia, Hadaron, Zenia, Elimo, Diana, Tridon, Deimos, Oguro.......a mostly imp'd Edea, but she has weird imp caps heavy on the HP's and HP imps are the ones I lack the most atm, so I'm slow playing her imp progress until I have more HP imps to drop on her. Grahden's and Xei'Jing are both fully imp'd at 6-stars.

My most notable units that are un-imp'd:

Breaker Feeva (I currently only use in Frontier Hunter/Gate)
Anima Selena (I only use in Arena, she seems fine without imps atm though)
Lord Michele (My current Arena lead...used her in a 2nd group for the Ark Trial on a whim, but not elsewhere)
Breaker Ruby (Used to use in Frontier Hunter/Gate before I switched to Dual-Kira group, I'm not currently using her anywhere)
Breaker Will (I rarely use him as his BB buff clashes with Zenia, still a nice unit though)
Breaker Sefia (currently seeing use in my Arena group, nowhere else)
Lord Ark (Nice unit that isn't seeing much use, at least not yet)
Anima and Breaker Kira (have both, I sphere'd the Anima first but wish I had sphere'd the Breaker - see's use in Frontier Hunter/Gate as Leader)
Breaker Nemethgear (currently seeing use in light/dark teams, my go-to fodder farmer, but fodder farming doesn't need imps)
Guardian Kikuri (Arena team, little use elsewhere now)
Guardian Reis (Sub'd into my general purpose/questing team - would consider using in Light/Dark team as a sub for his SSB 50% Crit damage buff, but he'd have to displace someone else's spot)
Anima Ultor (recent addition, sitting in my general purpose/questing team, mostly because I just wanted to use him somewhere....not sure where I'd put him to greater use, but he seems fun - nice typing)

Anima Magnazorda (seen very little use, but also interesting unit, and DoT effect has interesting overall damage potential)
Anima Sargavel (not using, still interesting survival lead for 2nd/3rd teams in GQ's perhaps)
Breaker Rize (not currently using - whoopass-on-a-stick when called upon)
Anima Yuura (only reached level 120 this morning, not yet seen any use)
Breaker Rinon (still at 6 star, all my SHS summons were not enough to get to everyone, still nice to have another healer on the roster, but will see limited use at best)

Breaker Andaria (My feel-bad unit of the week. Whispers on the wind have me waiting to see if Gumi changed the code for her ES skill adding an effect to BB/SBB into a different classification of skill that stacks with normal BB/SBB effects - if so, my opinion of her would be much improved....I'm not hanging my hopes on it, but I am in wait-and-see mode)

....and my status inflictors....I got numerous status inflictors from that Pool-of-17 rate up that I dropped my gems on going after he-who-must-not-be-named:

Lord Kafka (My new favorite status inflictor - yet not using her currently...I wouldn't be able to add her to my raid group without booting someone like Hadaron. Medal Rush Goddess I suppose)
Anima Vernil
Anima Balgran
Anima Tora
Anima Fadahl

(what can I say, I summoned a fuck-ton from that group and got a lot of each of those status inflictors...only kept one Anima of each.....only unit I didn't get at least 3-5 of was a single Lord Kafka, the one I wish I had gotten in Anima the most....but that is RNGesus for you.)

Others, just because this post is going to be long anyway: Tazer, Vertri, Grant, Lava, Zeldeus, Colt, Dion, Toutetsu, Kanon, Ivris, Alice....probably some legacy units I've ignored so long for lack of Legend Stones that I've forgotten them.



TL;DR
My raid group is already fully imp'd, any imp'd characters in my Frontier Hunter/Gate group or Arena group are purely coincidental....never yet intentionally imp'd a character just for those purposes.

I'd like to run some more Imp Parades while 1/2 Energy is still on, so I can Imp 2 or 3 more characters (and start a 4th maybe) - would be nice to shore up my performance outside of my Raid group.

Ishad_sl said:

Current setup is:
Kira: blighted seal, heavenly bud
Ark: glendite axe, revelation book
Zenia: obsidian core, impiety orb (to lazy to change this between fh and raids)
Kafka: revelation book, heavenly bud
Feeva:revelation book, heavenly bud

Griff friend.

All units are max imped. Should be using sky harbinger and blades of ultor, but again too lazy to swap spheres.

Tried a kagura/zedus team. Absolute shit.

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Thanks, was writing my last post when you posted this. Will take a longer look at this in a few minutes.


.....I need to craft some Revelation Books

Since you've already imped your raid and trial units the most used squads after that are going to be frontier gate/hunter squads.

To that end I would say Kira and nemeth gear. It would be better if you imped the breaker Kira if it isn't too many extra resources. Beyond fh and fg farming both will get used in fg2.

Here's a good thread on sphere priorities for fg:https://m.reddit.com/r/bravefrontier...ttle_guide_to/

The other thing you'll need to play around with is positioning units so when you hit autobattle Kira goes first. No idea what controls this was trial and error for me.

Ishad_sl said:

Since you've already imped your raid and trial units the most used squads after that are going to be frontier gate/hunter squads.

To that end I would say Kira and nemeth gear. It would be better if you imped the breaker Kira if it isn't too many extra resources. Beyond fh and fg farming both will get used in fg2.

Here's a good thread on sphere priorities for fg:https://m.reddit.com/r/bravefrontier...ttle_guide_to/

The other thing you'll need to play around with is positioning units so when you hit autobattle Kira goes first. No idea what controls this was trial and error for me.

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Thanks (posting from mobile)

I am back down to 1 Kira on my friends list again now that FH is over. I don't think it would be overkill to sphere the second and emphasize the Breaker. I spent a sphere frog on the Anima but nothing else so far.

I've heard a little about FG3, but next to nothing about FG2.

Will read the contents of the link. Much appreciated....any info I can absorb is a great help, thanks.

Thinking about putting an emphasis on Light / Dark units in general for a bit outside of a few standout units. That link may refine my thinking.

Raid drop rates up til the 30th. Farm yo shit.

Ishad_sl said:

Raid drop rates up til the 30th. Farm yo shit.

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Word.


I went into RC5 M10 and forgot how brutal that stuff was. Been happy with my raid group but they got worked over pretty good. Send to camp twice in 3 missions and several deaths otherwise.

1 Calamity Core in 3 missions.

I was debating trying to figure out how to get a Tridon lead in my group somewhere, but it would hurt my DPS so much to sacrifice someone else that I'm not sure I want to do that....I'd rather get 2 or more stars than a lower chance at some deaths. ....as I recall, Tridon was no great insurance for no deaths anyway in that mission.


Not sure what I should really be focusing on farming, but for right now I'm going on the theory of doing the most brutal content first with the better rates....can farm easier stuff with less stress later.

My rc5m10 setup is tridon/zenia, quaid, Aurelia, bestie, krantz subs. You could swap libera for bestie, Kafka for quaid, and edea for krantz. Should function about the same.

Ok, so last night I ran 3 Imp Key runs in addition to the imps I already had on me....between all 3 runs I only saw 1 Imp Arton. Not sure if that is normal or just lousy luck. First time I've run them since Artons were in and Metals were out. The first time I ran Quaid with the Blighted Seal....second time I ran him with the Spirit Tiara. The Spirit Tiara was more than enough, and I like that sphere on Quaid anyway. Quaid was very smooth, very quick.....not as fast as some who have Mifune down to a science, but I don't. Very satisfied with Quaid as my go-to Imp Farmer.

Anyway, I sphere'd and Max Imp'd my Breaker Kira (it wasn't until after that, that I realized I hadn't bothered to Fodder him up yet lol, one more chore on the to-do list for later.)

I nearly max Imp'd Nemethgear - he has weird imp caps....freakishly high Rec cap, but lower elsewhere....everything on him is maxed but Rec, which is fine for now.

I started max'ing out Kafka (what can I say, I'm kinda diggin' on that Psycho Ex-Girlfriend vibe.....and she's my best Status Inflictor)....but she also has weird caps....low everywhere but Hp's. She is Maxed everywhere but Hp's now. Same situation as Edea, but I think between the two I need to prioritize Edea's HP's. Might even try to work her into my raid group in place of Aaron....maybe.

3 out of the last 4 characters I've tried to Imp have those bizarre imp caps, and it is annoying I probably need 30 excess HP imps atm....I'm probably going to have to pick some off-brand character I plan to use but not actually max-imp and just start dumping excess imps on him while I farm out the HP imps to finish Edea and Kafka.

I dropped some imp's on Feeva in even ratios just to get her started....might raise her next. I'm still not convinced she's the best choice for my Light/Dark group, but she isn't a bad one. I have an Oracle Alice that might be kinda great (80% REC to ATK buff, +30% BC Fill on SBB) which sounds even more appealing than Feevas +35% BC droprate. I just literally cannot afford a Legend Stone for Alice unless I tap into the "Break in Case of Emergency" stash of unclaimed Acheivement Points I have left - saving that for the next great sphere they have for sale that I can't live without heh. In terms of pure raw damage, Reis is also an option as his innate +100% Crit Damage (self) on his Extra Skill will ensure he hits like a friggin' truck. Ark and Kafka also are interesting possibilities.

Besides farming Raids, todays agenda is getting that Sky Harbinger. Tomorrow Metal Mimics.....gotta squeeze every last drop out of the 1/2 Energy Vortex while it lasts.

Ishad_sl said:

My rc5m10 setup is tridon/zenia, quaid, Aurelia, bestie, krantz subs. You could swap libera for bestie, Kafka for quaid, and edea for krantz. Should function about the same.

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Thanks....so my group would look more like:

Tridon - L
Zenia - L
Aurelia
Libera
Kafka
Edea

I'd probably want to finish Edea's HP's before I took her Into RC5 M10...and figure out what to do with her spheres. Could just plug in Aaron in the meantime as long as Aurelia is there to pick up the slack on cures....will need to think it over.

Edit: I'd love to see Kafka in action though....her talents are wasted on 1-turn content. I'd probably give this group a spin just to see Kafka get to do something lol