Brave Frontier

Ishad_sl said:

I'll max out my kira and designate him as my friend lead soon. Just need the shs. Going to run a Kira based squad for fg as well.

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Yea, once the SHS comes up, I've got a Kira of my own I'm still waiting to bring up too. I was actually looking forward to seeing a "Dual-Kira Leads" group in action for the very first time heh.

Honestly though, you don't need to set a Kira lead on the helper squad just for my sake (although I do appreciate the notion.) I'll probably see if there are a few inactives I can boot from my friends list and go fishing for some Kiras or something.

Kira actually has a fair bit of age on him now, but it is amazing how strong he still is within his niche.


The SHS would help improve my mood, that is for damn sure. If they delay the SHS again like they did last month, I may have to quit posting here temporarily, so you guys won't be subjected to the sort of bad mood that it would put me in this time. heh.

Krantz, quaid, melchio should be top tier. Dion,deimos, and andaria next tier. Everything else whenever. Also did you finish your Will yet? Cause finish your will.

I ended up with 857 Summons for the SHS. My goal, after I had switched to focusing on farming honor more intensively was 700, but it was up for 2 extra days too......either way it is the single best haul from a Double Honor event that I'd personally done.

I don't think I want to go at it that hard again though without a good reason, before that was over, it became something of a grind.


I need to go through my roster again and make a list of the Legacy units I have that need Legend Stones....I cashed in some of the new achievements in the store for enough points to get 3 Legend Stones. I used one on Lord Michele (that one was a no brainer). I have an Anima Shera that should probably be on the no-brainer list....I have an Anima Exvehl too, but I don't think he'd be as likely to see use on my roster. ...still, including starters, I have I'm not even sure how many more right now, with another 10-12 announced and on the way. ....and 2 Stones on hand for them all heh.

I can't afford to waste even a single Legacy Stone.


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I can't even look at Brave Frontier without thinking about the Krantz I never got. I dropped so many summons for him Still feels very bad.

I got some nice consolation prizes for my efforts that I'm leveling up (including a 2nd Kira, I won't have to depend on Friends to do a Dual-Kira group for Frontier Gate once I raise both up, as you can use one of your own in the Friends slot.)....but it is still so damn depressing. I understand where Doc was coming from better now.

Last night I wanted to try a Kira friend lead in Frontier Hunter, didn't have one available on the friends list so I restarted the app to refresh the list. After I restarted it, I selected a Kira and went in - only to see that I had clicked on Frontier Gate rather than Frontier Hunter heh. One wasted Frontier orb right at the start. Oh well.

I've used about 300 of my Honor Summons so far. Gotten a single Imp Arton (but I'm grateful for it heh)....Also gotten an Anima Lance I didn't have....not going to raise him, but nice to have it around. Thus far, I haven't had any catastrophic typing changes on my units. My Anima Libera made it to 7-stars in-tact, as well as some others.

Still a crap-ton to go. So damn nice to be able to raise these units finally....it has only been weeks, but it's felt like months heh.

I hope you guys are having good luck with the SHS pulls.

Blew my wad on the frontier summon gate trying to get rivera.

17 pulls: will, medina, bestie, kikuri, kagura, totesu were new. 11 dupes including 3 griels in a row. A little dissapointed but a solid group of pulls.

Ishad_sl said:

Blew my wad on the frontier summon gate trying to get rivera.

17 pulls: will, medina, bestie, kikuri, kagura, totesu were new. 11 dupes including 3 griels in a row. A little dissapointed but a solid group of pulls.

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Man, I feel you on that one. Grats on the units though, particularly Vesti, Will etc. It will open up a lot of new combinations/options. Vesti/Kikuri are both top tier arena subs too.....Will too I expect with his outlandish Dropcheck heh. If I had a Vesti, I'd probably try to put together a Hadaron kill team for the Arena....as it stands though, I am anxious to get my Michele fodder'd up to take the lead as a Rainbow leader.

With Frontier Hunter 18 and newly claimable acheivement gems and such, I'm back up to 19 Gems....enough for 3 summons @6 gems each or just shy of 4 summons @5 gems each.....I'll probably drop them all on the next Rare Summons Plus or Popular Rate up that features Krantz. I've damn near broken myself in half going after that guy, but there is still nobody I want more. I feel where you are coming from going after Libera. For once in Global it feels like there are some units now that will be good beyond the visible horizon. Usually there are some units coming out of Japan that have me/folks drooling, even months in advance....but right now, especially with the Griff batch barely a month old, there are units in Global that shine every bit as bright as anything that is on the way. The only unit coming out that I *might* really really want that I don't have is Zedus. ....that just based on how strong the previous SBS 7-stars have been. Still, unless he is game-changing, I don't think I'd summon for him ahead of Krantz. Like you said once, Krantz is the perfect fit for my roster - even besides being an absolutely fantastic unit on his own merits.

I've done over 500+ Summons from the SHS and only gotten ***one*** sphere frog. It knows how much I need the gods damned things. I had 21 Metal Mimics on hand last night, and I'm completely out of them now. Ran out of Miracle/other totems but farmed enough out to evolve a few more units and keep me going for a bit. I'm spent for now though. ~250'ish summons left not including about 5,000 honor sitting in my gift box. I guess I am done pulling from the SHS for at least a few days though until I get more metals/totems etc farmed out. Over 500+ summons in the books and I have units like Rinon I haven't even started on yet Good lord.

Going to be 2-3 days solid (at least) of energy put to Fodder farming to get Extra Skills unlocked on my key units though before they are truly usable.....going to make that a priority over farming Evolution mats and finishing the SHS summons I have left. I have over 60 burst frogs (not counting Emperors) in my inventory, but it would still be a huge mistake to waste them.....even if I just fodder key units to BB5/SBB5 before finishing them off with Burst frogs, I'll still run dry of regular burst frogs in short order. I hadn't even looked at the Ark trial yet - I should probably get him before I do the rest of my SHS summons too.....heh 250 summons might not be enough

I max Imp'd 3 units today......included were an Anima Aurelia and an Anima Hadaron. I have a feeling those two will have some staying power, so I felt like the Imps were a good investment. That and they are both useful in some pretty tough content where Imp'd units can be a good advantage anyway.

Just had my Arena Win Streak snapped


1,261 consecutive wins.....reset back to zero.

None of my SBB's fired at all the whole time....no special rules, just staggeringly bad luck....Selena's Angel Idol triggered after I got blasted with waves of brave bursts, but she got paralyzed by a Semira of all people on the very same turn. She was the only one left standing and was paralyzed and helpless. It was over in a painfully cruel manner.

It had to happen sometime I guess.

Hah, glad somebody mentioned experiencing the pain that did me in . A constant stream of consolation prizes quickly loses its capacity to mitigate utter DESPAIR

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

Hah, glad somebody mentioned experiencing the pain that did me in

. A constant stream of consolation prizes quickly loses its capacity to mitigate utter DESPAIR

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Yea, no matter what units I got - including some better typing on units I actually use, the overwhelming feeling whenever I looked at or even thought about Brave Frontier over the last couple weeks has just been a sinking sick feeling in my stomach. Disgust and Despair. It is gross, and I haven't been posting for a while just because of it. The SHS today has lifted my mood a bit, but even now I should probably stop posting before I start bringing everybody down heh

On BFJP's anniversary, they ran that "select one unit, any unit, any type" give-away event. They REALLY should add something like that, for once every 50 rare summons (or even 100, if that isn't too much) as a permanent over-arching addition to all rare summons gates.......so at least once every blue friggin' moon you can get that unit that will keep a person from just up and quitting entirely. It wouldn't stop people from summoning just because you have to summon your ass off to get it (and to get the next one after that, and the next and so on) - but it would keep people playing when they at least have that light at the end of the tunnel of being able to look forward to getting *one* unit of their choosing once every great while.

Seriously though, the disappointment of having a 1,261 match winning streak in the Arena suddenly snapped is *nothing* compared to the sick feeling I've had for weeks over the Krantz ordeal - and the arena thing is still fresh in my mind as it just happened over an hour ago, but it is barely a blip on my radar in comparison. A part of me has already checked out from this past-time and isn't likely to ever return. I have no clue how long I'll be playing this game, but I do know that I am not nearly as personally invested in this game as I was even a couple weeks ago. It isn't nearly as fun as it was, and I am not nearly as attached to the game as I was.

The feeling is like getting only one piece of your favorite pizza and having it drop top-side down on an unclean floor.....and now every time I look at it I have to decide if I am just way too grossed out to even want it anymore. That is how I've felt about Brave Frontier for the last couple of weeks.

That is all I'll say on the matter for now because I know nobody wants to come here just to read my latest bitchings about Krantz heh.

I'll read them because it's pretty much what happened to me. I got a bunch of stellar pulls that I had nonetheless relegated to the "one day I will have a team for these" category and before I knew it there were only half a dozen units I really wanted - Zenia and pretty much the entire new batch minus Iris plus Edea - and no more consolation units to mitigate my failure to get them.

If you have interest in continuing to play, take a break. When I got to the point you're at I had like two daya remaining and didn't even realize it.

And no, my contributions to this thread signify neither the intent nor the temptation to play again. I just miss you guys.

We are coming up on global's 2nd anniversary, so there is the possibility of gumi doing a unit of your choice. The downside to any f2p gacha game is that being f2p you'll never get all the units you want. Brave frintier is better than some that I've played.

I'd still like a libera/nadore but vesti is a better trial leader and still a good bc on hit sub. Mostly I just wish it hadn't taken 100+ gems to pull her.

I'm not going anywhere, at least for right now. I still hold out a tiny ray of hope that the unit I want - whose name I won't mention - is just one more lucky summons away.

In the meantime, I'm fodder farming while doing other things. It doesn't make any sense, but until I break the addiction, I'm still hooked - even if it makes me sick...like any addiction, it doesn't actually matter that it isn't any good for me.

Ishad_sl said:

We are coming up on global's 2nd anniversary, so there is the possibility of gumi doing a unit of your choice. The downside to any f2p gacha game is that being f2p you'll never get all the units you want. Brave frintier is better than some that I've played.

I'd still like a libera/nadore but vesti is a better trial leader and still a good bc on hit sub. Mostly I just wish it hadn't taken 100+ gems to pull her.

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Bf is indisputably more generous to f2pers than a lot of games because the quality of a summoned unit has little to do with how many stars it has when summoned. In Summoners War, a 5 star unit was frequently leagues ahead of a 4 star unit, and they were rare as all fuck.

Units could be evolved to higher tiers, but their starting tier was a quality intrinsic to that unit and very often meant that the best units were virtually unobtainable for f2pers.

Ishad_sl said:

We are coming up on global's 2nd anniversary, so there is the possibility of gumi doing a unit of your choice. The downside to any f2p gacha game is that being f2p you'll never get all the units you want. Brave frintier is better than some that I've played.

I'd still like a libera/nadore but vesti is a better trial leader and still a good bc on hit sub. Mostly I just wish it hadn't taken 100+ gems to pull her.

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All true. If there were a game very similar to this but not built around gambling, which BF quite literally is, I'd be all over it.


Regarding Vesti, it is hard to understate how nice her extra normal hits extra skill is on top of everything else....double the dropcheck on normal attacks without having to lift a finger can sometimes be a massive BC difference right when you need it the most - particularly on Turn 1's or BC starved fights where normal attacks get cycled in as a part of the strategy. Also in the Arena with Toutetsu/Hadaron style huge +ATK leadership skills, more than double attack and then double hitcount on top of that? Guarenteed 1-turn kill on anything she touches.

I still love her character even though I never got one.

And lol Leto - I know it was a typo but "one more lucky summons away". True addict indeed

DoctorSpooge_sl said:

And lol Leto - I know it was a typo but "one more lucky summons away". True addict indeed

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Guilty as charged

It would be easier to make peace with not getting that particular unit if he were just as useful as a friend-lead, but unfortunately for me it is using him as a sub or not at all.

It looks like he is going to be relevant for some time to come, which is both a good thing and a bad thing for me. Apparently he is the hottest shit mitigator in RC6 (borderline needed to deal with it from what I gather - RC6 sounds brutal). So while I still have time to get him yet, while he is still important/relevant to the meta - I also might start bumping up against content that makes this bad feeling soooo much worse and much harder to ignore if I never do get him. I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel on gems, so my summons from here on out are going to be very few and far between.

Anyways, I'm out for the evening. Was good to see you pop in Doc.

Ao-_sl said:

Will has been maxed for a while (hyper max? I need a term for max BB/SBB/UBB/Imp'ed/Leveled).

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For me personally, I just assume that if a person has a character (and it's usable, not freshly summoned,) that they have maxed out their Brave Bursts. Unlocking a 7-star's Extra Skill can be extremely important to how a character functions (the UBB unlocking at the same time is just a happy by-product) and is the bare minimum needed to make that character usable IMO. It isn't even much of a time investment, can unlock all of a characters skills in a few hours with fodder farming and a handful of burst frogs. Beyond that, it is just a matter of if the character is 'Max Imp'd' or not. (You'd never max imp a character that you didn't even unlock their extra skill for.)

Just for example, I have a Feeva, a Max Imp'd Quaid, and a Rinon I haven't leveled.

Feeva of course has her Extra Skill/UBB unlocked, or I wouldn't list her as whole without any asterisks (like Rinon who has a qualifier attached)......Quaid is Max Imp'd, thus you can assume I also would have finished his skills.....and Rinon has the asterisk of not being leveled, which says all you need to know about her.

...Anyways...

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I've been driving myself mad this Frontier Hunter. My scores were down all over, yet my overall placement has been a little higher. I'd really love to improve how many ranks I gain, my progress in the months I've been playing thus far has been embarrassingly bad.

So I've tried Middle/End/Terminus several times each and tried many different group combinations/styles. In Terminus it doesn't seem to matter much what approach I take - no matter what group I bring in there or how I play it my scores always end up in the same ballpark - I apparently don't have the finesse required to milk 3TK runs for maximum points. In Middle, I don't seem to be able to muster high enough overkill to get higher than the same amount of points I'd get from a weak terminus run (say 240k'ish or so).

And the End? Gods fuckin' damn, the waves are RANDOM as fuck. I can go in one round and get 380k+ points (which for me is *amazing* btw), and go in the very next round with the very same group and get 220k points *if I'm lucky* which freakin' blows as I could get higher than that in Terminus even on a bad run. I've done more End farming than Middle or Terminus the last couple days, but the last day and a half I've been getting screwed bad on the RNG waves. Seriously, my high water mark in End is over 2.6M points and just a bit ago with the same group I scored 1.2M.....less than half. Since the middle of yesterday, my End runs have been on the lower end, and the fact that I've done so much better in there just a couple days ago drives me absolutely mad.

Honestly, I'm so lost with it now, I don't even know what I'm doing anymore. High Hitcount groups - Max-DPS/High ATK groups - Groups with a combination of Hitcount, DPS and Dropcheck (For BC which oftentimes is a big problem).

I only have 1 Heavenly Bud @100% spark damage, so mostly I am using that plus three other +50% spark damage spheres.....unless I'm trying some kind of BC generation thing because I'm too often not filling SBB's.

I was doing better 3 days ago, and that isn't even a joke. My output has deteriorated noticeably.

Lately for End farming, I've been using a Kira lead, a Kira friend, a Zenia sub (Spark + BB damage on SBB), Quaid (+Elemental Retyping so my light/dark group isn't completely screwed on non light/dark opponents,) and usually Feeva and Nemethgear (Nemethgear sometimes feels like an odd choice, but I have a Blighted Sphere on him so he's pushing near 6k ATK), I've got a Spirit Tiara on Quaid, so he is looking at 5k ATK himself....Zenia blows them all away of course.

I've tried Sefia/Kikuri for their massive dropcheck on SBB's....I'm considering that a failure though....while it did help some on the BC front, when RNG drops a single unit wave in my lap, it does me no good. Didn't help my scoring any, and maybe hurt.

I've considered, but haven't used Grahden's (+Light/Dark, solid ATK), Xie'Jing (35 hit SBB, solid stats), Will (also high hitcount SBB, but clashes with Zenia a bit)....I used to use Aaron (his +BC fill can be a godsend, 3.85k ATK with just a +30% stats Phanom Gizmo - also partially for mitigation, but if I'm going OTK that part is useless)....I haven't used Reis as he'd be my 3rd Crit buffer in the group, but he does have a moderate +50% Crit damage buff on his SBB that the others don't have.

I've gone with High Hitcount groups (Have Ruby/Feeva/Lario/Miku/Will/Xie'Jing etc who are all over 35+ hits on their SBB's), but I've never done it well enough to be able to milk high point totals in 3TK groups.

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Thanks to Gumi suddenly being more generous with Merit Points, I feel like pressure for being behind on Legend Stones isn't as great as it was, so I decided to buy the Demon Core sphere while it was still available (...I won't be getting the Demon Core from Frontier Hunter until I am old and grey at the rate I'm going.....and that sphere is kinda nutso for concentrated BC generation.)

For now, for Frontier Hunter I'm going to try the Demon Core on Quaid because there is nothing more frustrating than getting to a quad-Fire/Water/Earth/Thunder stage and Quaid's SBB isn't up to re-type everybody properly.....instant shit-score incoming.

I enjoy building groups for Raids/Trials etc SO much more than for Frontier Hunter.