Brave Frontier

Dion/Dion, zedus, rize, mahlu, quaid probably. First 4 than moar nukes. I don't get middle farming either, just going to farm the end about 50% of orbs to stay in the top 50k. Going to keep farming frontier gate during this.

Ao-_sl said:

What do the double dion groups even look like?

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Something like:

Dion x2 (both Leaders), Rize x2 (just for her raw damage potential), Shida or Quaid for elemental retyping and a high damage option for the last slot (Griff seems popular). Dual Zedus led groups are similar but with Zedus in place of Dion.

I can't really explain the ins-and-outs of it. The last time I tried a Dual Dion led group, it was a mess and my points were a disaster. Even now, I might end up having to go with a hybrid Dion/Zedus led group a lot of the time, just not that many Dions on my friends list.

Honestly, my Frontier Hunter situation right now is a friggin' mess anyway. I almost feel like I could take my units, toss their names in a hat, give it a good shake, pull out the first 5 at random with a random leader and get the exact same results I'm getting now. Incoherent and unfocused would be the words that first come to mind with my current groups.

One thing that I have going for me is a Dion, 2 Kiras, multiple Rize's.....no Zedus, no Griff, nothing new since the Griff batch.

Some people are doing crazy things like UBB'ing on Turn 1 (I guess they just guard-guard-guard-guard until Overdrive is filled), and every turn thereafter (because overdrive takes longer to fill every time you use it, I read that by turn 5 or so, it takes 100'ish turns if only guarding to fill the OD meter /boggle.....I'd end up mis-clicking and fucking it up before 100 turns lol)....I don't know how they survive that without a healer/mitigator in the group.

Very little about how folks are running Frontier Hunter nowadays makes a great deal of sense to me atm.





Edit: What Ishad said lol

Ishad_sl said:

Dion/Dion, zedus, rize, mahlu, quaid probably. First 4 than moar nukes. I don't get middle farming either, just going to farm the end about 50% of orbs to stay in the top 50k. Going to keep farming frontier gate during this.

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Last Frontier Hunter, I was getting better scores from End than Middle.....this time I'm getting better scores from Middle than End. (I've done both at least twice just to feel them out, not exactly a great sample size to draw conclusions from, I know.)

I guess the only difference is the mob distribution/typing?

I'm tinkering around with my Frontier Gate farming squad just as a starting point, but that feels like using a screwdriver as a hammer. At first blush you'd think they'd be more compatible, but maybe I was just further behind in my squad composition than I thought?

Either way I'm feeling very very clumsy this Frontier Hunter season.

Mid farming got nerfed in s20 in jp. So I wouldn't worry to much about it.

Ishad_sl said:

Mid farming got nerfed in s20 in jp. So I wouldn't worry to much about it.

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Yea...my most immediate concern is getting a +4 for Paris. I don't know when 7-star Paris will hit Global, but I'd really love to have her ready when she does.



On another note: Dropped 400 of my 600+ available SHS summons and zero sphere frogs or starter units. I've been raising up my 4-star and 5-star units with the metals/crystals. Slots has been goddamn stingy with anything worthwhile for several days strait too. Not complaining, just seems odd.

If I have another month like this one, it is entirely within the realm of possibility that I might be able to max-rank/level ALL my units. As in literally every single unit on my entire roster. 1 or 2 more months and I might just be saving Honor points ad infinitum instead of actually using the SHS gate.

We're behind on legacy units. There are 3 legacy batches and 2 rare summon batches before Paris. So not anytime soon. Global will squeeze 2-3 global batches in there.

Whooop! Looks like they fixed whatever the hell it is they broke with the update. Finally able to log in to the game on my mobile device.

I think I'm gonna try the guarding/UBB method of point farming at some point later on this evening just to see how intolerable it is compared to the points you can earn. I figure even if I fuck it up, I won't do any worse than I'm already doing lol

I'll need to find room for Diana in the group for her non-attacking BB generation buffs....not sure if I want to go with max imp'd Kira or non-imp'd Dion (If I go with a Zedus friend, Diana in the group and Quaid there, then Dion might make a lot more sense, lack of imps or not.) I have 3 different Rize's at 7-stars atm (Lord, which was my original, and a Breaker/Anima I've raised up since then....going to send the Lord to the glue factory now that the other two are ready) - but none of the three have even a single imp either.

My Ultor is about 75% Imp'd - as soon as he is done you can bet your ass I'm working on Breaker Dion and Breaker Rize next. Hell, even if I don't end up using them much, I don't want to be in the place where I'm working at a disadvantage with those units again.

Ok, I tried some different things in FG Middle....

tl;dr
Dual-Dion still sucks for me......Dion-Zedus and Kira-Zedus were both good. Diana was quite interesting and perhaps worth the price of admission although she has never been known for damage - Shida would be better if you have one probably, I just don't.

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Using Diana to gradually build UBB's (potentially every turn, but that seems like entirely too much effort for the payoff to me, UBB's on 2 of the 5 rounds seems like plenty to me.) Notable secondary benefit is that you can ensure 100% full SBB's EVERY turn no matter what without the use of potions. No more risk of using less than SBBs, zero need for BB spheres on anyone but Diana.

I would fill up SBB's and an Overdrive for a UBB on Round 1 (I've always seen 6 mobs on Round 1, seems like a good place to start and you start out with empty brave burst bars anyway, so using a Diana-like character lets you fill all 6 SBB's right from the get-go, all without wasting any potions.)

Filling UBB's that way is a bit of a hassle (at least compared to just blasting away and being done with it), but if you need that little bit extra in terms of Fronter Ranks, it could be worth some effort.

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Zedus is tremendous. I've tried Griff leads, Zenia leads, Dion/Kira leads......Zedus has outscored them all. I can only imagine what Dual-Zedus groups must be like, but even a single Zedus lead beefed up my scores over any other friend lead I've tried.

Both my Dion-Zedus group and Kira-Zedus group scored in the ballpark score of 9.5M-9.6M, or a total of 480k points. (Used 2 UBB's in the Dion/Zedus group but only 1 UBB in the Kira/Zedus group - subs were different in both groups, not going to list them all) My disaster of a Dual-Dion group only scored ~4.5M or 220k points (ish).....less than half of the groups that included a Zedus lead. I blame less than optimal subs/group optimization as well as a lack of imp's on several key characters.

I am absolutely certain I can break the 10M point mark with my Kira-Zedus group (I notoriously forget to use an ATK potion right before I burn everything to the ground) I realize a whole lot of people can boast scores a whole heck of a lot higher than that, but it is where I am at the moment. 480k from an Orb blows away anything I was able to score a month ago.

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My groups are still a patchwork mess of mish-mash mis-matched parts that makes no sense. I'm sure I could do better, I just haven't figured out how yet.

Not to post a play-by-play or anything, but just scored 12.6M (633k points) in middle ...easily my best ever.

Weirdest part was, my best ever round was when I accidentally UBB'd Diana instead of Zedus. I'm still scratching my head over that one.

You know, sometimes this place suffers from a serious case of Dead-Thread

I've been tweaking my Frontier Hunter group - This morning I set my new High Score of 18.1 Million points. Feels good. I'm absolutely sure I could break that 20M point mark if I had a Zedus of my own. Zedus-Friend is my only spark buffer in the group, so on UBB rounds, I get a UBB spark buff, but no BB/SBB spark buff at all....that and stacking his Leadership skill would be a little nuts, and a big improvement over what I'm doing. It is kind of a shame that Middle is being nerfed next Frontier Hunter now that I finally have this figured out lol

I played through the Tutorial of Chain Chronicle to get the free mitigator unit with the collaboration code. ...then something weird happened....I kept on playing ...until I was level 13 in the first Capital at 5:30am....and I wanted to play Chain Chronicle more than Brave Frontier. Today is the first day of a Festival with some nice units to summon, so I've been rerolling my account all day long trying to get some good characters to build a group around. I'm having to force myself to use my FH Orbs and Energy in Brave Frontier just so I don't fall behind and it goes to waste. I don't see myself playing Chain Chronicle as seriously as I've played Brave Frontier, but I am having fun at least (less so in the middle of this marathon, but hey, not the first time I've put myself through this sort of endurance test lol)

From reading Reddit apparently double Avante is strong enough to justify farming middle post nerf, might be true for double zedus. I've got no zedus, griff, Dion, or Diana. I feel like I'm missing the key components. Still hanging in the top 50k with not too many attempts so still chugging along on fg. Rolled over 800k points today, so in the home stretch.

Ishad_sl said:

From reading Reddit apparently double Avante is strong enough to justify farming middle post nerf, might be true for double zedus. I've got no zedus, griff, Dion, or Diana.

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Wow.

Of those last units you listed, the only one I'm using myself atm is Diana, but it sounds like she is more of a substitute for Shida who is actually superior for it. I'd definitely need a Zedus/Avant type to even attempt Middle farming after the nerf though.

The group I scored 18.1M with was:

Kira (Lead - not doing a whole lot for me other than being a crit leader though, no longer a light/dark team) - Crit buffer
Quaid (I wish I were Shida) - Elemental Retyper
Ultor (Call me "Beastmode") - Massive ATK buff, +Crit Damage buff
Diana (Utility MVP) - non-Attaking SBB with BB fill to help along the whole Overdrive situation for UBB's
Gazia (Nevermind being a mitigator, this guy is an offensive beast under the right circumstances) +ATK conversion buff +BB% buff
Zedus (Friend Lead) +Crit +Spark +Everything else up to and including Foul Language (+200% Foul Language buff)

Kira's elemental weakness buff is only helping himself and Gazia there, and even then only vs the occasional 1 Dark mob on the screen (I still don't care for Dion) - Reis might actually be a better option for me just by virtue of the fact that he personally whips more ass. I lack a secondary spark buffer that would beef up my score a lot on UBB rounds, but I hesitate to try to work Zenia in because she clashes so hard with Gazia on his monster +300% BB buff which is no joke. Would losing 100% BB damage be worth an extra spark buff? Yea, probably, but still. She'd be dead weight on non-UBB rounds and maybe a liability, but she does do great personal damage.

The Zedus friend just by himself brings so much to the group it is scary. I can only imagine being able to layer his UBB and SBB's on the group at the same time.

Diana's BB doesn't do damage, but it causes everyone's BB gauge to increase on hit. Spam her BB until everyone is full, overdrive Zedus, nuke away.

Ao-_sl said:

That feels so... wasteful. Maybe I mean grindy?
Zelnite/Elza/Maxwell/Darvanshel are my 6* max imps, god damn do I want some 7* evos for them.

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Nice work man Yea, it is grindy as fuck. That is one of the things that hit me hardest after trying Chain Chronicle - it was nice to just be able to *play* a game again instead of just grinding the same old shit over and over and over and over and over....

Ao-_sl said:

So, the double Avante/Zedus groups... what's Diana for? I've got her and dion. If I somehow pull a griff or Zedus and use the (I'm assuming) 2nd anniversary for the second, I'm wondering what I can do with the team.

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With Diana in the group in Middle, you Guard *everybody* else every single turn until all their SBB's are full AND until Overdrive is full (I Overdrive a maximum of 3 times because you go in with 3 Fujins to insta-fill a UBB bar after you trigger the overdrive)...with Diana you can cast her Brave Burst manually every turn, it helps fill up the party's BB bars and it helps bump up the Overdrive bar so you can UBB.

I'm lazy enough to only UBB on 6-mob groups just because it takes so long to do, it isn't really worth it on less....I'm not trying for a +5 or anything..... That said though, when you have to fill up the Overdrive Bar 3 times the whole run can take ~20 minutes or so. It isn't complicated to do, just a bit tedious.... Still, going for a helluva score is its own kind of entertainment.



Edit: What Hachiman said

Okay, I get it now. Hit 16 million with 2 ubb run with a Kira,ark,ultor,gazia,shida,zedus setup. Charging that shit is awful.

Ishad_sl said:

Charging that shit is awful.

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lol I know, right?! The problem is, now that I know how folks have been doing that, it is hard to go back. ....As if Frontier Hunter wasn't already kind of a pain as it is

The scores with this method vary wildly depending on what waves you get and how well everybody crits and such....if you got 16 Million on a 2 UBB run already, no telling how high your ceiling is. The thing is, even on a horrible 1 UBB run with misclicks/accidental kills and such, this methold outscores anything else I've tried. ...at least for one more day until they nerf it next month

I'm forcing myself to at least half-assedly burn my Frontier Hunter orbs today and I'm gonna dump energy on evolution unit farming today, but beyond that I"m taking a few days off, only touching base for the daily login.

I need a few days off or I'm gonna go nuts. Running out of shit to do anyway.