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You are right they are both retarded opinions. I insult you because this is what you do in every thread. You come in with very little information and no real experience on the subject and start spouting ideas that have no basis in reality. You actually said that Jesse had already made meth that was more pure than Walt did. You actually said that ..... it's like you aren't watching the show.

I don't think you ever read what other people say, not fully at least. If you did you would realize I said countless times that he is coming back for revenge for Hank.

What will you do if I am right?
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i tend to lose interest in someones words when they just start firing off dumb internet insults. Walt will find find out pinkman is alive making his meth and come back to deal with the nazis for doublecrossing him. If you want to believe walt waited 9 months when he is probably sicker for revenge because of hank, good luck with that theory. I disagree that will happen but its possible. This show does not have a predictable pattern, especially now that its about done and all the stops have been pulled
 
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That's because some of Jesse's actions are just that, inexcusable.

Look at this.



You remember what lead up to this threat? Jesse chose to STOP the destruction of the RV, stole it (Yes stole, don't forget, it's Walt's RV, he paid for it), and walked right into Hank's trap . He brought this on HIMSELF, and he is here threatening Walt's life (Continued Cook), his family's life (Going after Hank)--everything. Walt doesn't just have him killed, which he UNDOUBTEDLY could at this time, with Gus' men. Instead he puts his reputation on the line to prevent Jesse's idiotic escalation and removes Gale, the ultimate lab assistant, to try and appease Jesse. (Oh and after he does this, Jesse skims Meth which threatens both their lives and sells it to recovering addicts, all because he feels like his millions aren't enough. Nice, Jesse.)

Yeah, stretching bro, okay. If Walt was half the monster you think he is in this relationship, right here, Jesse dies. He isn't. Walt's "manipulations" have consistently been to keep Jessealiveand out of trouble. (And again, even before Walt met Jesse, Jesse was dead. Crazy 8 blamed him for the snitch, it was ONLY Walt's Meth that saved Jesse. That's it, then Walt physically saved Jesse by poisoning and strangling them.)

And lol, he told him "to get fucked"...When the hell was that? Are you talking about the scene where he told him he wanted to help him? And he was scared he would OD? And he didn't want to give him all the money so he could shoot up with it? Is that the scene where he told him "to get fucked"? Or was it only AFTER Jesse once more threatened to destroy everything Walter loved that Walt got angry? (Remember, Walt started the conversation like a father who was concerned for his son, it was only AFTER Jesse's girlfriend threatened him that Walt got mad...And then Walt relented.)
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I'm talking about after the methylamine, he told Jesse to fuck off and he wasn't getting shit, and he made his threat clear. He only relented after a wave of guilt (or whatever it was) when he saw the giant pile of money and he decided to get out.

Jesse may be a fuckup, but Walt is still a monster. Qualify his bullshit all you want. He did what he did.
 
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I'm talking about after the methylamine, he told Jesse to fuck off and he wasn't getting shit, and he made his threat clear. He only relented after a wave of guilt (or whatever it was) when he saw the giant pile of money and he decided to get out.

Jesse may be a fuckup, but Walt is still a monster. Qualify his bullshit all you want. He did what he did.
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So in your one example, Walt does right by Jesse in the end. (Which, surprise surprise, Jesse uses to fuck up his life.)

And we're not debating what a monster Walt is. We're debating the relationship between them, in which case, Jesse is most certainly the antagonist, where Walt takes extraordinary and often pretty evil measures, just to keep Jesse alive. I mean, given the scope and size of Jesse's idiocy, you almost have to be a super villain or superhero to clean them up--Walt just chose the former. The problem is Jesse blames it on Walt, he doesn't stop and think how many times he's fucked himself over, then tried to fuck Walt over, and only when he's shit on absolutely everything important to him, does Walt do something evil to try and pull his ass from the fire. Jesse is nearly just as culpable as Walt in most of the stuff he's angry about (Not in the other stuff, like the prison killings), because he continues to antagonize a situation where he knows there is tons of collateral damage--and often for no reason other than some stupidly childish, inane, revelation--Like being upset he's only making 1.5 million a quarter, and wanting to sell Meth to recovering addicts to pad his income. (Yeah, he's not a monster.)
 
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Jesse is not really an antagonist when you look at their relationship from the start. Jesse wasn't in the drug business to be a druglord. He was just another lowlife scum who was about to be taken into the police custody. Jesse was going to spend 5-10 years in jail, get out, and restart his life again. Maybe, just maybe, he would've grown up and got on with his life. Maybe, he wouldn't have to kill Gale.

But with Walt, it was already a fuck up for Jesse. Jesse was never meant to be the monster that Walt was. Jesse was not Walt. He was not supposed to be making high grade motherfucking meth. He was supposed to be another scumbag for DEA. He was not supposed to be running around with 5 million dollars. He was not in his element and was never and should have never been there.

He spent his money on hookers and drugs. That's it. Nothing more. That was pre-fucking Walt.

Thing is that Jesse cannot be anything other than a fuck up. He was not ready for this shit. And he is not ready for anything til the end. A fucking tragic character.
 
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Jesse is not really an antagonist when you look at their relationship from the start. Jesse wasn't in the drug business to be a druglord. He was just another lowlife scum who was about to be taken into the police custody. Jesse was going to spend 5-10 years in jail, get out, and restart his life again. Maybe, just maybe, he would've grown up and got on with his life. Maybe, he wouldn't have to kill Gale.

But with Walt, it was already a fuck up for Jesse. Jesse was never meant to be the monster that Walt was. Jesse was not Walt. He was not supposed to be making high grade motherfucking meth. He was supposed to be another scumbag for DEA.

Thing is that Jesse cannot be anything other than a fuck up. He was not ready for this shit. And he is not ready for anything til the end. A fucking tragic character.
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Jesse wasn't headed to jail, he was going to become Rottweiler food. When he needed money, he was going to pop his head up for supplies with Crazy 8. Crazy 8's cousin already dubbed him as a rat to explain the bust, Jesse was already dead when Walt found him. The only reason he lived was because he had Walt's Meth on him, and Crazy 8 decided to use him to see Walt (And Jesse sold him out--but Walt defeated Crazy 8 and his cousin, and saved Jesse--which was the first in a long string of Walt protections.)
 
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Maester Chuk_sl said:
i tend to lose interest in someones words when they just start firing off dumb internet insults. Walt will find find out pinkman is alive making his meth and come back to deal with the nazis for doublecrossing him. If you want to believe walt waited 9 months when he is probably sicker for revenge because of hank, good luck with that theory. I disagree that will happen but its possible. This show does not have a predictable pattern, especially now that its about done and all the stops have been pulled
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I tend to insult morons who can't type out coherent thoughts in a readable manner, aka you.
 
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Lithose_sl said:
Jesse wasn't headed to jail, he was going to become Rottweiler food. When he needed money, he was going to pop his head up for supplies with Crazy 8. Crazy 8's cousin already dubbed him as a rat to explain the bust, Jesse was already dead when Walt found him. The only reason he lived was because he had Walt's Meth on him, and Crazy 8 decided to use him to see Walt (And Jesse sold him out--but Walt defeated Crazy 8 and his cousin, and saved Jesse--which was the first in a long string of Walt protections.)
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Or that. Rest of my shit still stands though. Jesse was a fuck up from start and never changed.

I thought Krazy8 was a DEA rat. I am not sure he would've killed Jesse.
 
Lithose

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Or that. Rest of my shit still stands though. Jesse was a fuck up from start and never changed.

I thought Krazy8 was a DEA rat.
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Maybe, I thought it was his cousin, that's why he got out of jail so fast. I could be wrong though. Either way, Jesse was the fall guy, he was dead until he pulled out Walt's bag.
 
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So in your one example, Walt does right by Jesse in the end. (Which, surprise surprise, Jesse uses to fuck up his life.)

And we're not debating what a monster Walt is. We're debating the relationship between them, in which case, Jesse is most certainly the antagonist, where Walt takes extraordinary and often pretty evil measures, just to keep Jesse alive. I mean, given the scope and size of Jesse's idiocy, you almost have to be a super villain or superhero to clean them up--Walt just chose the former. The problem is Jesse blames it on Walt, he doesn't stop and think how many times he's fucked himself over, then tried to fuck Walt over, and only when he's shit on absolutely everything important to him, does Walt do something evil to try and pull his ass from the fire. Jesse is nearly just as culpable as Walt in most of the stuff he's angry about (Not in the other stuff, like the prison killings), because he continues to antagonize a situation where he knows there is tons of collateral damage--and often for no reason other than some stupidly childish, inane, revelation--Like being upset he's only making 1.5 million a quarter, and wanting to sell Meth to recovering addicts to pad his income. (Yeah, he's not a monster.)
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One example? The show consists almost entirely of examples of Walt doing terrible shit. You just choose to ignore those things because Jesse is a bad person, too. As if that liberates Walt from any responsibility for his actions. So he let Jesse's girlfriend die, well she was a real bitch and Jesse was totally pussy whipped! So he poisoned a child, Jesse didn't back his play! You're an enabler Lithose, you're enabling this bad behavior from our fictional anti-heroes.
 
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One example? The show consists almost entirely of examples of Walt doing terrible shit. You just choose to ignore those things because Jesse is a bad person, too. As if that liberates Walt from any responsibility for his actions. So he let Jesse's girlfriend die, well she was a real bitch and Jesse was totally pussy whipped! So he poisoned a child, Jesse didn't back his play! You're an enabler Lithose, you're enabling this bad behavior from our fictional anti-heroes.
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lol, give meanyexample in the story and I will show a Jesse origination of the problem, a Jesse based escalation, with a culmination in Walt saving him. Girl friend's death? Walt didn't put it in her veins. And when Jesse hits bottom, Walt saves him. Poisons a child, because Jesse didn't "back his play"? Or because Jesse was helping a man that threatened to kill Walt's infant daughter? And the only reason he was helping that man was because, AGAIN, Walt saved his life by going against Gustavo in the first place. So again, the origination is on Jesse. The escalation is on Jesse, the ultimate showdown begun by Jesse.

Right here. (Jesse hits first, of course, because that's who he is.)



Remember,this fight is because Walt went against Gustavo to SAVE Jesse's life and then Gustavo saw Walt had a weak spot for Jesse after Walt's (Three main) actions to save him, and used Jesse to try to destroy Walt. Walt put his shit on the line to save Jesse, and this is the culmination of that.Betrayinghim. After this, Walt is left with either killing Jesse as he takes Gus apart, or manipulating him. Walt chose manipulation. And then saved Jesse one last time, again, when he fought his way back into the lab and rescued him.

Are Walt's actions evil? Yes. But you have to ask yourself who is the catalyst that brings these actions to fruition *every* time. And it's always Jesse,always. (Before season 5.) The fact that Jesse screams in righteous indignation while being the seed which sews every evil action around him? Is, again, an absurd shirking of responsibility. (I THINK your "didn't back his play" was a reduction troll :p, it worked, if so. But whatever.)
 
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Bro,it doesn't matterif Jesse originates whatever problem that Walt decides the only way out of is cannibalism or ritualistic rape of children or whatever terrible thing he dreams up. He still made a choice to do horrible shit. Over and over and fucking over.
 
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chaos_sl said:
Bro,it doesn't matterif Jesse originates whatever problem that Walt decides the only way out of is cannibalism or ritualistic rape of children or whatever terrible thing he dreams up. He still made a choice to do horrible shit. Over and over and fucking over.
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Because it was that or Walt gets fucked. This is meth business. GET ON THE TRAIN, BRO.
 
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Or he could have chosen something else, or not cooked fucking meth. Any of a million things could have gone differently, but they didn't, because Walt chose the path he went down knowing exactly what he was doing.

fuckin lol, "he didn't put it in her veins" as if that excuses his actions. Come the fuck on.
 
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chaos_sl said:
Or he could have chosen something else, or not cooked fucking meth. Any of a million things could have gone differently, but they didn't, because Walt chose the path he went down knowing exactly what he was doing.

fuckin lol, "he didn't put it in her veins" as if that excuses his actions. Come the fuck on.
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Bro, we wouldn't be watching this show if he didn't.

But yeh, if Walt just accepted his rich friend's help, all this shit could have been avoided. Jesse might have just lived on. Gus would've be making shit ton of money. Mike would have retired with millions of dollars to his granddaughter's name.

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........
 
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Bro,it doesn't matterif Jesse originates whatever problem that Walt decides the only way out of is cannibalism or ritualistic rape of children or whatever terrible thing he dreams up. He still made a choice to do horrible shit. Over and over and fucking over.
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Yeah, which goes back to what I said. Letting Jesse die the "best" choice for Walt. It was only his justification of the protection of family that lead to all this. He should have let Jesse die, especially after Jesse had betrayed him for the 10th time. But yeah, lets absolve Jesse if making money for a man who will kill an infant daughter and say Jesse is a better person than Walt, who measures out safe dosages with his mastery of chemistry to make a child ill.

Okay bro. Stretching? Yeah you are. Jesse is just as culpable as Walter, in some ways, far more so. But like a typical junkie he won't accept the responsibility for his actions.
 
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Or he could have chosen something else, or not cooked fucking meth. Any of a million things could have gone differently, but they didn't, because Walt chose the path he went down knowing exactly what he was doing.

fuckin lol, "he didn't put it in her veins" as if that excuses his actions. Come the fuck on.
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Same could be said for Jesse? Walt tried to break it off with Jesse, remember? Jesse is the one who forced himself back into the game, he FORCED himself back with Walt. So again, Jesse origination. You can't give me an example that doesn't start with Jesse, it doesn't exist. Jesse is the source of ever bad thing that happens before Season 5, often because he does something horrible and shitty. (Revenge killing, Selling meth to addicts, Supporting a monster against the man who protected you from said monster, betraying your science teacher to his death with crazy 8, ect ect. I could go the fuck on)

As for not put it in her veins, again, the source of the problem WAS Jesse. Walt is just tied to him.
 
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